ALPA decertification at US Airways
11-23-2007 | 07:14 PM
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I goota chime in Hear. What would you have The President of ALPA do in the case of an ALPA to ALPA merger? (i.e AWA and USAir).
Should he have taken sides and supported East Pilots over West?
Look I am extremely sympathetic to the USAir East because what happend to them could happen to anyone of us at a moments notice.
The bulk of what happend at USAir East was out of the USAir MEC and ALPA National's control.
The merger with AWest/ USAir was out of both MEC's and ALPA National's control. Doug Parker, The BOD and the Shareholders were in control.
The Seniority Integration was, however, between the MEC's of USAir and America West, and because both sides agreed to Binding Arbitration, was ultimately in the hands of Mr. Nicholau the Arbitrator. With 20/20 Hindsight, I am sure that USAir East pilots would not have agreed to Binding arbitration or would have at least altered their strategy/ demands. But we would all be Billionaires with 20/20 hindsight wouldn't we........except us Pilots that is
ALPA National cannot choose sides in a merger between 2 ALPA represented groups.
Should he have taken sides and supported East Pilots over West?
Look I am extremely sympathetic to the USAir East because what happend to them could happen to anyone of us at a moments notice.
The bulk of what happend at USAir East was out of the USAir MEC and ALPA National's control.
The merger with AWest/ USAir was out of both MEC's and ALPA National's control. Doug Parker, The BOD and the Shareholders were in control.
The Seniority Integration was, however, between the MEC's of USAir and America West, and because both sides agreed to Binding Arbitration, was ultimately in the hands of Mr. Nicholau the Arbitrator. With 20/20 Hindsight, I am sure that USAir East pilots would not have agreed to Binding arbitration or would have at least altered their strategy/ demands. But we would all be Billionaires with 20/20 hindsight wouldn't we........except us Pilots that is
ALPA National cannot choose sides in a merger between 2 ALPA represented groups.
Ditto
And another thing, Instead of trying to dump ALPA, why not dump the MEC that lead the Easties into BINDING arbitration and then failed to heed the arbiters advice to bring a different proposal after he rejected their date of hire proposal for the third time?
No matter what else is said, both sides agreed to binding arbitration, nothing else really matters. After Alaska took a huge pay cut at the hands of an arbitrator, I thought that pilot groups would avoid arbitrators like they had the plague. Oh well.
11-23-2007 | 08:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow
Filed with the NMB today. 3000 cards - 98% participation.
http://usairlinepilots.org/
Idiot Morons
Boneman,
Funny you should use the word "idiot" to describe the US Air pilots with 98% participation, when the word comes from the Greeks to describe someone who won't participate in democracy and the political process......
Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow
Filed with the NMB today. 3000 cards - 98% participation.
http://usairlinepilots.org/
Idiot Morons
Boneman,
Funny you should use the word "idiot" to describe the US Air pilots with 98% participation, when the word comes from the Greeks to describe someone who won't participate in democracy and the political process......
11-23-2007 | 09:30 PM
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ORIGIN Greek idiotes ‘layman, ignorant person’, from idios ‘own’.
11-23-2007 | 09:57 PM
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Google; "History of the word idiot," then click on "dictionary of word origins. "
11-25-2007 | 07:56 AM
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The Nicolau award keeps everyone effectively in the same relative position they had prior to the merger with the exception of 500+ AAA pilots that were moved to the top of the combined list. A senior 737 captain is still a senior 737 captain. A junior A320 first officer is still a junior A320 first officer. Had the award gone with the AAA DOH/LOS plan, junior furloughed pilots at AAA would suddenly become senior to line holding captains at AWA.
11-25-2007 | 09:58 AM
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The Nicolau award keeps everyone effectively in the same relative position they had prior to the merger with the exception of 500+ AAA pilots that were moved to the top of the combined list. A senior 737 captain is still a senior 737 captain. A junior A320 first officer is still a junior A320 first officer. Had the award gone with the AAA DOH/LOS plan, junior furloughed pilots at AAA would suddenly become senior to line holding captains at AWA.
If the AWA plan had included a component where a specific pilot maintained his relative position based on attrition at his previous expectation then it would have been fair.
DOH or LOS with fences were the best answer. I've said that here before and I'll say it again. DOH is truly the only fair way to integrate lists. Fences keep either side from getting a windfall.
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11-25-2007 | 10:56 AM
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There is a large number of US Air east pilots who would rather see US Air out of business than work under the contract ALPA is pushing for. They've literally been dragged through the dirt over the years and they don't have much to lose. The pilot group as a whole will give larger dues to fund the union and support their seniority numbers.
ALPA should wake up and treat these guys with some respect. Read this: http://usairlinepilots.org/letters.htm
ALPA should wake up and treat these guys with some respect. Read this: http://usairlinepilots.org/letters.htm
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