Look into your crystal ball...
01-02-2008, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
A cyrstal ball would even be useless. The only sure thing about this industry is change. It cracks me up to see guys bummed out because SWA and FDX are not hiring right now. 7 years ago guys were bummed when the legacy carriers shut down hiring and the only ones who were hiring were Jet Blue, SWA, and FDX. Get used to it. One things for sure if you plan on a 30 year career, your employer will see its share of ups and downs - no one is immune. No one stays on top forever and don't forget we are all labor - skilled labor but labor, nontheless. First age 65 and who knows whats next - cabotage? How long before FDX and UPS try to start outsourcing? Maybe some congressmen in AK will want to give a bump to the Anchorage economy and work a back room deal with who knows who. Perhaps a global pilot shortage will help us all, but if your in for the long haul - expect a bumpy ride and plan accordingly.
Scoop
PS - Go with the first airline to hire you and with a smile, but never stop evalutating your alternatives.
Scoop
PS - Go with the first airline to hire you and with a smile, but never stop evalutating your alternatives.
Very well put...in my opinion if you are in it for the long haul and you are willing to set aside bases, I would say NWA over CAL - DAL. At least with NWA you can still be hired at the beginging of their hiring wave. CAL and DAL have been hiring for awhile. NWA and CAL still have a pension although frozen...I believe (NOT SURE) that DAL has lost theirs. Therefore, odds of gaining seniorty is quicker at NWA.
Overall, I do see one common trait with NWA, CAL, and DAL...that is they are all planning for the future with aircraft deliveries...I think that this is a good perk above UAL who seems to be doing zero future planning.
01-02-2008, 11:20 AM
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AA's not ordering many a/c either. They're trying to improve their balance sheets in the short term while waiting for the next generation narrow-body to come out. In the case of UAL, this means they've got a lot of cash to buy some other airline soon.
01-02-2008, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by KKKBTAXI
I would say NWA over CAL - DAL. At least with NWA you can still be hired at the beginging of their hiring wave. CAL and DAL have been hiring for awhile.
Overall, I do see one common trait with NWA, CAL, and DAL...that is they are all planning for the future with aircraft deliveries...I think that this is a good perk above UAL who seems to be doing zero future planning.
Overall, I do see one common trait with NWA, CAL, and DAL...that is they are all planning for the future with aircraft deliveries...I think that this is a good perk above UAL who seems to be doing zero future planning.
DAL has only hired 400 and plan 600-700 min in 2008. This is for int'l capacity increases.
CAL has hired like 2 billion 25y/old's so they a different story... lol
01-02-2008, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Sniper
So, 30 years ago, in 1978, who are the hot airlines to go to?
Pan Am and Eastern looked pretty good back then. So did TWA. Can I get a nomination for Braniff (in January 1978, not 1980)?
Would anyone @ Southwest have really said "in 30 years, I'll be the envy of many of my peers and have the highest take-home of any narrow body operator"? Would anyone @ Fed Ex in 1978 have really said "in 30 years I'll be a senior CA of the largest widebody fleet in the world, and my pension will be one of the few left?"
Nobody could have predicted any of this - not even Herb and Fred. There is no way to know, 30 years from now, where anyone's career may be - or if the career still will exist, even. The one thing that appears to be certain is, in the era (or error, if you're a airline pilot) of deregulation, the company that will be on top by the end of your career likely won't be the one that was there when you started.
Pan Am and Eastern looked pretty good back then. So did TWA. Can I get a nomination for Braniff (in January 1978, not 1980)?
Would anyone @ Southwest have really said "in 30 years, I'll be the envy of many of my peers and have the highest take-home of any narrow body operator"? Would anyone @ Fed Ex in 1978 have really said "in 30 years I'll be a senior CA of the largest widebody fleet in the world, and my pension will be one of the few left?"
Nobody could have predicted any of this - not even Herb and Fred. There is no way to know, 30 years from now, where anyone's career may be - or if the career still will exist, even. The one thing that appears to be certain is, in the era (or error, if you're a airline pilot) of deregulation, the company that will be on top by the end of your career likely won't be the one that was there when you started.
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