I have been invited for a UAL interview. I am a RJ CA making over $100,000. This is a very difficult decision and im looking for any info you guys may have like time to widebody FO?, most junior 757 FO?, most junior FO in JFK?
I would like to based in JFK, if hired, and im curious as to what i can expect as far as equipment/pay goes. The pay is very difficult, and im not sure i can do it financially. Any info regarding the above questions, and any insights or opinions as to what you might do would be useful.......Thanks in advance.

 

Retired, so I don't have much info for you. However, JFK only has the A320 & B757/767. SEA is the only domicile smaller than JFK. I wouldn't be surprised to see JFK close some day. I think the current head count is around 270 or so.

A small base is usually "senior".

A CAL/UAL merger would change the landscape. If that happens I wouldn't be surprised to see the operation shut down at JFK. LGA may be another story, however.

All of the above is just a guess on my part.

According to some friends still there, morale is terrible.

 

That's an accurate report except for the days that it's worse than terrible.

 

Thanks for the insight.

 

Making over 100K on top of a seniority list, going to an airline that makes you pay for a hotel during training then gives you 27K for the 1st year, 39K the 2nd (how much is left if you need a crashpad) and could furlough with a merger, as an FO you could go to the 12 year max and not make 100K....I'd think this one over. Is wearing a brand name worth the price? Their pay scale looks like a regional scale! I would say combining the words Legacy and United is a thing of the past! Nothing against United Pilots..the management there has accomplished this.

 

Assume you thought over some of this before you applied. If not, go to interview. Give it your best shot. If offered a job, then you have a dilemma <g>. Now you don't. Yes, you will see the 100K again, if it is only about money. No, you should not go depending on your age (late 40's and older perhaps) If younger, time value back on your side. Opportunity to grow back into higher dollars.
If anything, you may find OTHER opportunities from UAL if you choose to leave that you may very well never attain at your present company.
Example: UAL to Fedex/UPS/SWA/World/etc is more conceivable in a broader market than Regional to same. Why? Thousands will compete from the regional market. Not as many from the legacy market, especially when folks not in a furlough. You will stand out to an HR dept, that gives you the big edge. You would be highly likely to get an interview. Much better averages.

 

So who do you work for? Southern? Evergreen? You seem to know a lot for a trash hauler 747 co-pilot.

 

Most of the vitrol towards UAL is emotional based. You have to look long term and even that is playing craps- unless you have a crystal ball. All the legacys are suffering now and each have pros and cons and each have had promising futures reversed temporarily. Most of the factual info is available but if UAL was going to be auctioned, it would have happened in bankruptcy. Even with all the "growth" DAL, CAL, and Southwest are having, UAL still has more widebodies and is the #2 largest carrier behind AA. The pilot group at UAL will get significant contract improvements and then once again the industry can follow United higher.

The merger scenarios will change the status quo for all players and NOBODY knows how the chips will lay 10 years from now.

Carpe Diem

 

I have plenty of reasons (and relatives) for "knowing a lot" about UA, is there a point or number I came up with thats not correct. Please enlighten me if so. The "Trash" being hauled is a pretty expensive composite airliner (that I don't see UA on the order list for).


I would love to see United, Northwest, Delta and all the other legacies out there get on track, don't get me wrong...the issue here is to read the quote above and ponder ...what the hell has happened to this industry?..... it has become a tough decision to go to a Legacy carrier!!! All those numbers I crunched in my first post to this thread are because I have gone through the same decision process. In my state on first year pay with a family I would be better off not paying for company insurance, but getting insurance through public assistance for free!!

 

yeah..........ok.......whatever.....it was united who lead the industry lower.

the pilots there have already proven to their ceo's that they are willing to work for crappy wages and rules for years and years and accept ja's...why would a ceo give them more money just for the hell of it.


way too many heros there