Zapata

and what is it exactly the GW has done to "keep us safe"? did it have something to do with all of those ghostly WMD's in Iraq? Or was it the Saddam Hussein/Sept 11 connection?



just keep telling yourself that.

HSLD

Good dialog and perspective here guys - oil production and distribution does affect our jobs but please self moderate the political commentary. Thanks!

Spaceman Spliff

"The movie?" You're kidding, right?

That's the problem. Too many Americans are relying on movies with leftist agendas as they decide what their opinions are. In case you're not aware, Michael Moore and Oliver Stone are not objective (or even rational) sources of information.

Bottom line: We have not had another terrorist attack in the US. If you think that happened by accident, or it would have been possible had we not expended massive resources, you are sadly, dangerously mistaken.

CE750

I don't think we need to make this into a dem/repub issue.. YES they differ but in the end .. "US Policy" tends to be the same at the executive level no matter who's in charge.. I agree with the owners of this site.. let's keep it on oil and not GW and Clinton (strong as my feelings are on this).

The Duke

I thought the subject of the thread was the movie "Syriana" and war in the middle-east. I haven't seen the movie.

CE750

movie is based a lot on a real CIA operative's book.. my former SAS operative friend also confirms it's "Frightening accuracy". Agree 99% of what Hollywood makes is garbage with a leftists agenda (mostly socially leftist).. but this is NOT one of them. See it.

Zapata

It's difficult to have a discussion on oil without discussing oil's geopolitical components. That said, I agree with the mods too so, I digress.

The Duke

I'm not a leftist and I'm not an avid movie watcher. Just trying to stick to the facts. I haven't seen the movie Syriana. What I do know is that Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi. 17 out of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were, guess what, Saudi. None were Iraqi or had any ties to Iraq. So why didn't we attack Saudia Arabia? Because they're a major source of our imported oil. You can't attack the hand that feeds you, right? It's not a conspiracy, it's common sense.

The war in Iraq has nothing to do w/ terrorism: It's an obvious resource war. It's easy to keep the American public at bay by spinning the war and making it look like it has kept us safe from terrorism. Quite frankly, the only reason we haven't had another attack is because we have been lucky so far. I wouldn't attribute the lack of an attack to any politician, Democrat or Republican, that would be giving politicians too much credit. They're all equally worthless, they only care about getting re-elected!

HSLD

Yeah this is a tough one as oil and politics go hand in hand. What I would ask is that we avoid partisan sniping which is really the intent of the forum terms of service.

Thanks!

Nicless

I won't get into political sniping. At this stage of the game politics is really a non event.

If you think that Obama, McCain or even Ron Paul can change the future on this you are not aware of the scope of the problem.

All US administrations in recent memory worked for the benefit of large corporations. Large Corporations do not work for the benefit of the employees.

20 years ago I wrote a thesis on Globalization and free trade. My conclusion then, is the same now. If you do not make your living off the divedends of stocks of large multi national corporations, in the end you are screwed.

Open skies, fifth freedom, exporting of mx offshore, large corps leaving to go to cheaper shores is all the symptoms of the same problem. That problem is government has allowed business to have a free ride at the expense of the US taxpayer.

Now throw in oil, and the fact that oil is traded in USD. Every transaction that occurs hides monetary inflation in the usa. Realize that its a finite commodity, and the large corporations who control oil want the money now.

The end game, you will see the looting of America. From pension funds to social security to the price you pay for a loaf of bread. Corporate carpet baggers have stolen your future. The lies used are everything from Human Rights to Cheaper prices for the consumer to the War on terror. All of the above are the means to the end. The end is a form of indentured servitude.

Thousands of years of human rights from the magna carta on are about to be trampled not by despots, but by corporations with the blessings of politicians that are bought and paid for.

Sounds like a wild conspiracy I know. The only way to prove it is to ask you to look at what is happening all around us everyday. Do you really think that the world will be better off in 20 years than it is today? Or your kids will have a better lifestyle? Where will they work?

The two main candidates will not/ or cannot change this. RP says it, but his change will destroy us too. The only thing to do is to know its coming and protect yourseld and your family as much as possible.

The political popularity contest is no longer a factor. The sooner some of you realize that the better.

Rant off-- flame away guys