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07-06-2008, 08:53 AM
#11
Avoiding Memphis
Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: Intl Feeder Jet
Posts: 504
Originally Posted by FliFast
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And the APA is known for it's benevolence towards it's fellow side-by-side co-workers. Give me a break, I laughed so hard, I passed a kidney stone.
Stay strong, former TWA pilots, the APA has guaranteed you won't have any career, but instead multiple furloughes.
FF
(Former TWA pilot, now UPS)
And the APA is known for it's benevolence towards it's fellow side-by-side co-workers. Give me a break, I laughed so hard, I passed a kidney stone.
Stay strong, former TWA pilots, the APA has guaranteed you won't have any career, but instead multiple furloughes.
FF
(Former TWA pilot, now UPS)
Yep, THAT will get a great new contract!
07-06-2008, 09:57 AM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 712
Originally Posted by pilot141
Just for the record, what would be your way to get this done?
Have a BBQ on a nice day so everyone can see that everyone is actually a real person?
This is AA, who has pilots listed as Cost Units on the books. There is a LONG history of treating the employees like crap, and things are BAD now with the pilot manning tight. Ask any AA guy on reserve how his life is and see how much he wants to sing kumbaya with management.
Stay strong AA guys!
(Former AA guy, now FDX - I feel your pain! Well - not really but you get the point.)
Have a BBQ on a nice day so everyone can see that everyone is actually a real person?
This is AA, who has pilots listed as Cost Units on the books. There is a LONG history of treating the employees like crap, and things are BAD now with the pilot manning tight. Ask any AA guy on reserve how his life is and see how much he wants to sing kumbaya with management.
Stay strong AA guys!
(Former AA guy, now FDX - I feel your pain! Well - not really but you get the point.)
07-06-2008, 03:00 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: I was acquired, Not Hired
Posts: 1,784
Originally Posted by pilot141
AMR management must love you TWA guys. Keep the ranks divided, turn any discussion into an AA-TWA piXXing contest and expend more energy fighting each other than the guys at Centreport.
Yep, THAT will get a great new contract!
Yep, THAT will get a great new contract!
By letting the APA deal with the TWA pilots Con-man Carty hit a major homerun. Even Jeff Brundrege called the integration a shet sandwich and he is the HR management guy.
Finally, a good contract / a bad contract doesn't affect most TWA pilots because we've been on the street for 5 years, sorry to sound selfish towards my brothers at the APA, but after what they did to us...well maybe I'm not sorry. The APA should have thought about this divide and conquer integration before they shoved it down out throats.
FF
07-06-2008, 04:21 PM
#14
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 116
Just curious, what is accomplished by badmouthing your own airline? Do you expect to get a raise now? The thought processes are about the same as when a two year old doesn't get the toy he wants. Good lord people you have a picture of AA management with Saddam Hussein. It amazes me that grown men can think of this stuff, and amazes me even more that somebody with authority looks at this stuff and says, "yeah thats perfect, just what we want. A picture of Arpey, Hetterman,etc. with Saddam Hussein. Brilliant."
07-06-2008, 04:50 PM
#15
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 390
If any of you rocket scientists look at the website, you'll see that's it's not sponsored by the APA.
I doubt AA senior managers pay any attention to such stuff. They don't care what the employees think as long as the fat bonuses keep going into the bank account.
I doubt AA senior managers pay any attention to such stuff. They don't care what the employees think as long as the fat bonuses keep going into the bank account.
07-06-2008, 05:03 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 116
Ok, Capt. Fury is the creative genius behind the title page and the Bring Me my Fool stuff. The other pages, along with the extremely moving song are APA. I think, after hearing that song, I am ready to start a revolution. Bring me my pitchfork.
07-07-2008, 06:56 AM
#17
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Position: I was acquired, Not Hired
Posts: 1,784
Originally Posted by js081285
Just curious, what is accomplished by badmouthing your own airline? Do you expect to get a raise now? The thought processes are about the same as when a two year old doesn't get the toy he wants. Good lord people you have a picture of AA management with Saddam Hussein. It amazes me that grown men can think of this stuff, and amazes me even more that somebody with authority looks at this stuff and says, "yeah thats perfect, just what we want. A picture of Arpey, Hetterman,etc. with Saddam Hussein. Brilliant."
Thats ok, the red tails at American have a picture of the APA greats with a famous dictator from the past.
I'm not bad mouthing AMR, it is the methodology that the APA used to integrate the TWA pilots onto their list which basically ensures that during every downturn - 9/11 aftermath/current fuel crisis, etc., that the bottom redtails will be the furlough fodder.
FF
07-07-2008, 07:57 AM
#18
AAmerican Way for AA Pay
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: B-737 Pilot
Posts: 1,617
Originally Posted by pilot141
AMR management must love you TWA guys. Keep the ranks divided, turn any discussion into an AA-TWA piXXing contest and expend more energy fighting each other than the guys at Centreport.
07-07-2008, 09:48 AM
#20
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Posts: 390
I agree that it was an act of stupidity for Carty to buy the TWA assets, when the usual modus operandi of AA to buy an airline/assets, then get rid of the aquired capacity was followed yet again. This was a stupendous waste of money for AA, created turmoil in the AA workforce, and was obviously bad in the extreme for TWA and it's employees.
It seems to be the opinion of the employees that TWA could have survived on its own. They should have been given that chance, but, as usual, the big guys made their bundle, then jetted off into the sunset very rich.
Anyone (mostly TWAers) at the bottom of the seniority lists at AA should consider AA a dead-duck for recall. I think there's going to be another huge blood-letting re-furlough for the recent recallees. I don't see any way that AA can avoid a BK next winter even with the drop dead failure of UAL. Of course, any serious belief that AA will declare BK will likely trigger mass retirements, but even then, it's questionable that a post BK, sub-UAL court-imposed contract will be worth coming back to.
With there were a glimmer of hope, but this entire country is headed to hell in a handbasket and I just don't see any genuine political will to change that.
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It seems to be the opinion of the employees that TWA could have survived on its own. They should have been given that chance, but, as usual, the big guys made their bundle, then jetted off into the sunset very rich.
Anyone (mostly TWAers) at the bottom of the seniority lists at AA should consider AA a dead-duck for recall. I think there's going to be another huge blood-letting re-furlough for the recent recallees. I don't see any way that AA can avoid a BK next winter even with the drop dead failure of UAL. Of course, any serious belief that AA will declare BK will likely trigger mass retirements, but even then, it's questionable that a post BK, sub-UAL court-imposed contract will be worth coming back to.
With there were a glimmer of hope, but this entire country is headed to hell in a handbasket and I just don't see any genuine political will to change that.
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