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07-09-2008, 07:03 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by B757200ER
To answer your question: Furloughs should have been FAIRLY distributed, if 2890 were furloughed, half from AA, half from TWA. The percentages would STILL disadvantage the TWA pilots and give a windfall to AA's!
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07-09-2008, 08:12 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by aa73
I don't disagree with the 50-50 idea. However, interesting that you would think that with 50-50 furloughs, AA pilots would still get a windfall? Please elaborate...
For what really happened, see my post above. Not equitable, not fair, not reasonable at all, buyout or not.
Also, consider this: Every legacy airline downsized 20% after 9-11, and subsequently furloughed massive amounts of pilots. If AA had not bought TWA, instead of using TWA pilots as a doormat-buffer to insulate new-hires like you from furlough, 2,000+ pilots from AA only would have been furloughed instead. Many of your APA brethren live in a fantasy all-about-me world and don't believe that; it WOULD have happened, trust me. The buyout of TWA saved you and others from a long furlough.
And now, with oil prices shooting off the scale, if furloughs occur at AA again, WHO will be furloughed? recently-recalled former TWA pilots, not you.
07-09-2008, 08:25 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by B757200ER
Okay: Here is 50/50, simply put. There were 2,890 pilot furloughs at AA after 9-11, which started on October 1st,2001 and ended on June 1st,2004. If half of the 2,890, which would be 1445 pilots, were furloughed from both the TWA list and the AA list, TWA would still have lost 60% of their pilots, while AA would have only lost 13% of their pilots. The most senior TWA furloughee would be a '96 hire F/O, the most senior AA furloughee a spring '99 hire F/O.
For what really happened, see my post above. Not equitable, not fair, not reasonable at all, buyout or not.
Also, consider this: Every legacy airline downsized 20% after 9-11, and subsequently furloughed massive amounts of pilots. If AA had not bought TWA, instead of using TWA pilots as a doormat-buffer to insulate new-hires like you from furlough, 2,000+ pilots from AA only would have been furloughed instead. Many of your APA brethren live in a fantasy all-about-me world and don't believe that; it WOULD have happened, trust me. The buyout of TWA saved you and others from a long furlough.
And now, with oil prices shooting off the scale, if furloughs occur at AA again, WHO will be furloughed? recently-recalled former TWA pilots, not you.
For what really happened, see my post above. Not equitable, not fair, not reasonable at all, buyout or not.
Also, consider this: Every legacy airline downsized 20% after 9-11, and subsequently furloughed massive amounts of pilots. If AA had not bought TWA, instead of using TWA pilots as a doormat-buffer to insulate new-hires like you from furlough, 2,000+ pilots from AA only would have been furloughed instead. Many of your APA brethren live in a fantasy all-about-me world and don't believe that; it WOULD have happened, trust me. The buyout of TWA saved you and others from a long furlough.
And now, with oil prices shooting off the scale, if furloughs occur at AA again, WHO will be furloughed? recently-recalled former TWA pilots, not you.
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07-09-2008, 08:36 AM
#39
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 712
I have to agree that TWA pilots have been treated poorly by AA. How AA can get away with this is beyond me. They all wear the AA uniform now but its like they don't. Hopefully AA will start treating their people better.
07-09-2008, 08:44 AM
#40
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Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr
I have to agree that TWA pilots have been treated poorly by AA. How AA can get away with this is beyond me. They all wear the AA uniform now but its like they don't. Hopefully AA will start treating their people better.
They did.
