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08-25-2008 | 12:35 PM
#41
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Who's to say that, even with a security clearance from the military, one hasn't done anything that was questionable since obtaining the clearance? Military personnel aren't above wrongdoing. Look at it this way. Suppose a pilot was hired and then furloughed from an airline in fairly short order. That pilot had just undergone a background check. Then said pilot gets hired by another airline. Guess what? He or she will have to do it again. In the context of going from one job to another, it is no different from the military.
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08-25-2008 | 01:04 PM
#42
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I Wish It Wasn't Like This
Gabriel,
I hate to say it but methinks you are out of luck. I certainly wish that you could have some access to our flightdecks, but it isn't going to happen. I fear that ZED style fares are all that might be available to you. Good luck. I wish we had more authority over our jumpseats as I wish you guys had similar.
YF
I hate to say it but methinks you are out of luck. I certainly wish that you could have some access to our flightdecks, but it isn't going to happen. I fear that ZED style fares are all that might be available to you. Good luck. I wish we had more authority over our jumpseats as I wish you guys had similar.
YF
08-25-2008 | 01:50 PM
#43
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From: B737-300 right seat
Oh YF, Thank you for the answer.
I can see it. Unfortunetally nowadays we're having more rigid rules.
What type of aircraft do you fly? Where are you based in?
I'm flying B737-300 at Gol. I got my ICAO English level 4 (the minimum for intl flughts) but I'd like to improve my English skills.
Att. Gabriel.
I can see it. Unfortunetally nowadays we're having more rigid rules.
What type of aircraft do you fly? Where are you based in?
I'm flying B737-300 at Gol. I got my ICAO English level 4 (the minimum for intl flughts) but I'd like to improve my English skills.
Att. Gabriel.
08-25-2008 | 02:12 PM
#44
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To answer you, Skype me yankeefly69 ;-)
I am an RJ flight instructor and ex RJ Captain at the most loved US regional...MESA
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YF
I am an RJ flight instructor and ex RJ Captain at the most loved US regional...MESA
;-)
YF
Oh YF, Thank you for the answer.
I can see it. Unfortunetally nowadays we're having more rigid rules.
What type of aircraft do you fly? Where are you based in?
I'm flying B737-300 at Gol. I got my ICAO English level 4 (the minimum for intl flughts) but I'd like to improve my English skills.
Att. Gabriel.
I can see it. Unfortunetally nowadays we're having more rigid rules.
What type of aircraft do you fly? Where are you based in?
I'm flying B737-300 at Gol. I got my ICAO English level 4 (the minimum for intl flughts) but I'd like to improve my English skills.
Att. Gabriel.
08-26-2008 | 01:19 AM
#45
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...Except that we employ thermonuclear weapons on the aircraft we fly in the military. That requires a little more thorough check than the one we go through to get a job at an airline...and it needs to be updated every so often as well. It is, in fact, quite different with regard to the "job" being done.
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B2P
Any new-hire at an airline should go through the background checks....no matter how thorough their past checks. Like I said, when it comes to brass tacks, it is no different from the military.
08-26-2008 | 03:49 AM
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It doesn't matter if the check is more thorough. Like you said, it needs to be updated and pilots with previous jobs that involved high security clearances are no different and definitely not infallible.
Any new-hire at an airline should go through the background checks....no matter how thorough their past checks. Like I said, when it comes to brass tacks, it is no different from the military.
Any new-hire at an airline should go through the background checks....no matter how thorough their past checks. Like I said, when it comes to brass tacks, it is no different from the military.
B2P
Last edited by b2pilot186; 08-26-2008 at 04:02 AM.
08-26-2008 | 09:43 AM
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The end result is not, but the method is...as you just admitted. That was my only point...like I said. I simply disagreed with your assertion that the checks are no different in the military...you have no idea what a military background check involves. I have been through both processes. We are held to a higher standard during military background checks...necessarily so when dealing with heavily-armed aircraft. This isn't a mil vs. civ contest...it's just reality. We may not be infallible, but if we screw up with nukes the "brass tacks" results are off the scale in disaster potential.
B2P
B2P
It doesn't matter if the check is more thorough. Like you said, it needs to be updated and pilots with previous jobs that involved high security clearances are no different and definitely not infallible.
Any new-hire at an airline should go through the background checks....no matter how thorough their past checks. Like I said, when it comes to brass tacks, it is no different from the military.
Any new-hire at an airline should go through the background checks....no matter how thorough their past checks. Like I said, when it comes to brass tacks, it is no different from the military.
And no, I'm not trying to turn this into a military vs. civilian contest and the "brass tacks" of this thread has nothing to do with your scenario about screwing up with nukes.
My post was in reply to a post that implied an airline background check is redundant because of a security clearance that was held in the past. My point is that the bottom line;
No matter what level of background checks one has been through in the past, due to reasons I stated earlier about no one being infallible, ALL airline new-hires should undergo the same background checks.
Last edited by Zapata; 08-26-2008 at 10:00 AM.
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