Crew Pass
09-15-2008 | 09:11 AM
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He thinks it's probably more about the basic distrust and dislike between many TSA agents and the pilots which he claims is very real, he said he’s had to ‘counsel’ many of his agents about keeping their feelings about us to themselves; I know this supervisor personally and I'm sure he knows what he's talking about (he’s a former pilot who took an early retirement).
So what exactly is the TSA's beef with pilots? Can you tell us more about what your friend has heard from them? Do they seriously think we're the enemy?
I flew with a Captain way back who flew the 737 in the Air Force transporting live nuclear weapons with a .45 on his hip. Now with 20 years at the airlines (perfectly clean record) he has to remove his shoes (previous rules) at security? They trust a 22 year old former Starbucks coffee slinger over him? They seriously don't know who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.
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09-15-2008 | 10:57 AM
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So what exactly is the TSA's beef with pilots? Can you tell us more about what your friend has heard from them? Do they seriously think we're the enemy?
I flew with a Captain way back who flew the 737 in the Air Force transporting live nuclear weapons with a .45 on his hip. Now with 20 years at the airlines (perfectly clean record) he has to remove his shoes (previous rules) at security? They trust a 22 year old former Starbucks coffee slinger over him? They seriously don't know who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.
S.B.
I flew with a Captain way back who flew the 737 in the Air Force transporting live nuclear weapons with a .45 on his hip. Now with 20 years at the airlines (perfectly clean record) he has to remove his shoes (previous rules) at security? They trust a 22 year old former Starbucks coffee slinger over him? They seriously don't know who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.
S.B.
I'm not sure when and why it started but the mistrust is mutual, I've heard it from numerous pilots too. One got really mad (and to certain extent I tend to agree with him) a few years back when the LAS TSA agents got a $500 bonus from their supervisor for catching a pilot under influence who's trying to 'go to work.' I'm not defending the drunken pilot, I'm glad he didn't get a chance to risk his passengers' lives. I just don't think rewarding TSA agents for something that's not even in their job description is a good idea.
Either way, most of them simply 'tolerate us' and that's about it. I don't think there will ever be any love between our groups. They think we're spoiled brats who don't like to wait in line like everyone else. Many of the pilots (including me) doubt the TSA really makes it safer. Until we learn from the Israelis and make profiling a reality personally I don't see the purpose of having TSA around. My friend says they're trying but he thinks the PC rules are too confusing for most of his agents...
06-11-2010 | 10:33 AM
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From: Gear Slinger
So the latest update I received about Crewpass came from a company memo today. Apparently they are adding a monthly cost, which of course won't be covered by the company. The memo says, "we are not sure of the exact cost, but it shouldn't be any more than the cost of using FLICA," yet another work related expense the company refuses to pay for. When can we get a break. But at least they said they are trying to work out a free trial for us to see if it's something we would like to use. Give me a break
06-11-2010 | 10:38 AM
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I find it ridiculous that the TSA has an issue with us...for the sole reason we have to go through security to get to work.
Why the hell should a crew that has a 45 minute duty-in time prior to departure have to wait in a 1.5 hour line at security?
We're going to work...to be productive...so those passengers in line NOW...can actually get somewhere.
From the top down the TSA needs to change this antagonistic attitude that is oozing from the fronline individuals.
Why the hell should a crew that has a 45 minute duty-in time prior to departure have to wait in a 1.5 hour line at security?
We're going to work...to be productive...so those passengers in line NOW...can actually get somewhere.
From the top down the TSA needs to change this antagonistic attitude that is oozing from the fronline individuals.
06-11-2010 | 03:15 PM
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From: 18%er but I’ll enforce UPA23 to the last period.
Enough of these 45 minute late departures waiting in line and maybe, just maybe that will get management to re-think things and put the pressure on to get CrewPass figured out.
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