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Old 03-23-2006, 03:51 PM
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I don't want to have to negotiate with a computer, particularly a french computer.
LoL, I just thought that line was hilarious.
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Old 03-23-2006, 04:18 PM
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O.K. here is a strange concept. Top of descent the engines come to idle but the power levers stay in the same position as cruise flight. What kind of logic is that? When my engines are at idle I want my throttle levers to be in the idle (far back) position. Why navigate "FROM" somewhere as opposed to "TO" someplace? What's next? Gear is down but gear lever is up? Flaps are up but flap lever is down? And flaps 1,2 3 and 4? I am convinced the french are just trying to fu.. with us Americans.
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Old 03-23-2006, 05:11 PM
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O.K. here is a strange concept. Top of descent the engines come to idle but the power levers stay in the same position as cruise flight. What kind of logic is that? When my engines are at idle I want my throttle levers to be in the idle (far back) position. Why navigate "FROM" somewhere as opposed to "TO" someplace? What's next? Gear is down but gear lever is up? Flaps are up but flap lever is down? And flaps 1,2 3 and 4? I am convinced the french are just trying to fu.. with us Americans.
I think that every flap lever should be 1,2,3 and 4 etc. Who the hell cares what "degree" they are at? And how many positions do you actually use on a Boeing? Most of the time you skip several of them. And how hard is it to look at the throttle position indicator and match it to engine output? The reason the don't move is MORE MAINTINANCE! Not to mention weight. I suppose you like the fact that on Boeings the yoke also moves. Even though you can't see it on the other side of the USAToday and you only touch if for 5 minutes on a 5 hour flight. The Boeing "dumbs things down" to the lowest common denominator. In an Airbus, you can still shut everything off and "dumb it down" while at the same time appealing to the smarter pilots.
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Old 03-23-2006, 05:20 PM
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I think that every flap lever should be 1,2,3 and 4 etc. Who the hell cares what "degree" they are at? And how many positions do you actually use on a Boeing? Most of the time you skip several of them. And how hard is it to look at the throttle position indicator and match it to engine output? The reason the don't move is MORE MAINTINANCE! Not to mention weight. I suppose you like the fact that on Boeings the yoke also moves. Even though you can't see it on the other side of the USAToday and you only touch if for 5 minutes on a 5 hour flight. The Boeing "dumbs things down" to the lowest common denominator. In an Airbus, you can still shut everything off and "dumb it down" while at the same time appealing to the smarter pilots.

Are you from France?

I like your wine but you can keep your airplanes!

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Old 03-23-2006, 05:33 PM
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Are you from France?

I like your wine but you can keep your airplanes!
LOL. No, sorry. I am from Wisconsin, so I guess I have the cheese to go with the wine. To be honest, the French p*** me off. But having flown both, I do like the way the 320 flys over the 737.
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Old 03-23-2006, 06:06 PM
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And how hard is it to look at the throttle position indicator and match it to engine output?
I don't understand? Do you mean whenever the engines go to idle or changes power you are suggesting that the pilot move the throttles manually to match engine speed? How automated is that?

My point here Packer Backer (I am a Packer fan too) is that the visual indications should match what is really happening. On the Boeing, If the throttle levers are pushed up the engines are producing power. If the levers are back they are NOT producing power. It's not a right or wrong thing it's just that I like my indications to match what is really happening.

Even though you can't see it on the other side of the USAToday and you only touch if for 5 minutes on a 5 hour flight.
Wrong, It's the Houston Chronicle. On a five hour flight how long do you touch your joystick? Wait, don't answer that!

The Boeing "dumbs things down" to the lowest common denominator.
It's called simplicity and dependability

In an Airbus, you can still shut everything off and "dumb it down" while at the same time appealing to the smarter pilots.
Perhaps you "smarter pilots" should stick to Scientific American or the discovery channel to pursue your higher levels of learning. It would keep more airplanes from flying into the trees!

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Old 03-23-2006, 06:13 PM
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LOL. No, sorry. I am from Wisconsin, so I guess I have the cheese to go with the wine. To be honest, the French p*** me off. But having flown both, I do like the way the 320 flys over the 737.

I have never flown a bus but I will give you two things.

1. I like your tray tables in the cockpit. I can't tell you how many times I have spilled something trying to eat a meal on a logbook.

2. Without a doubt, the Airbus is more comfortable to ride in the cabin. I don't know the exact dimensions, but it feels roomier and less confining.

That's all I will concede to you Packer fan. Aren't you offended at a computer that calls you a retard? That's just wrong!
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I don't understand? Do you mean whenever the engines go to idle or changes power you are suggesting that the pilot move the throttles manually to match engine speed? How automated is that?
I guess I should have been a little clearer. The pilot only has to match the throttles to the engine output level when he disconnects the auto throttles. Or else the engine will surge or reduce thrust. Basically, the difference is that in the airbus, the "carrots" don't follow the engines.

My point here Packer Backer (I am a Packer fan too) is that the visual indications should match what is really happening. On the Boeing, If the throttle levers are pushed up the engines are producing power. If the levers are back they are NOT producing power. It's not a right or wrong thing it's just that I like my indications to match what is really happening.
After last season, there are fewer and fewer Packer fans. So I appreciate your loyalty. But the indications do match what is happening. The only difference is that the throttles don't move. All you do is look at what your engines are doing. If you want full power, firewall the throttles and disconnect the auto throttles.


Wrong, It's the Houston Chronicle. On a five hour flight how long do you touch your joystick?
That is sort of a personal question.



It's called simplicity and dependability
And I agree. The Airbus throttle system is less complicated and more dependable than the 737. No moving parts.



Perhaps you "smarter pilots" should stick to Scientific American or the discovery channel to pursue your higher levels of learning. It would keep more airplanes from flying into the trees!
If those pilots would have broken the chain of errors, that accident would have never happened. But it was definitely not the airplanes fault. It is like a bad musician blaming his instrument for his poor performance.

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Old 03-23-2006, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by calcapt
I have never flown a bus but I will give you two things.

1. I like your tray tables in the cockpit. I can't tell you how many times I have spilled something trying to eat a meal on a logbook.

2. Without a doubt, the Airbus is more comfortable to ride in the cabin. I don't know the exact dimensions, but it feels roomier and less confining.

That's all I will concede to you Packer fan. Aren't you offended at a computer that calls you a retard? That's just wrong!

The trays and side sticks are the best thing since sliced bread. It adds so much room to cross your legs or eat on long legs. It also provides a much better view of the panels. Also, I'm not sure of the dimensions of the Airbus or 737 either, but I do know that the Airbus is wider in the cabin than the 737. So it would make sense that it is wider up front.

As far as the "retard" comment, I always thought it was talking to the fo.
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Old 03-23-2006, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by calcapt
Are you from France?

I like your wine but you can keep your airplanes!

Its only like a 1/4 french.... The British and germans are mighty fine aircraft makers.
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