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Old 03-12-2006, 03:06 PM   #21  
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I think it is important to remember that the 767 is close to 10 years older than the A320.

I also have something to say about the stick. I learned to fly with a stick (gliders and tail wheel), but come on, this is an airliner with 150 people on board, not a video game.
Just like the A320 is 10 years older than the 777, yet people compare the 777 to the Airbus systems. The Difference is the 777 and A320 technology is on the same level even though the 320 is 10 years older. While the 767 isnt even in the same ball park as the 320 with it being 10 years younger.
I didnt think the stick was a very good thing before, but now after using it I love it.
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Does the airbus allow you to roll into a 45 or maybe a 70 degree bank? I have heard (having never flown one) that the computer limits what it sees as acceptable limits. My personal opinion is that if I as a captain, decide I need a 70 degree bank to avoid something I don't want to have to negotiate with a computer, particularly a french computer. Of course I see the logic of protecting the aircraft from idiots as well - and we all know there are some out there.

Yah I do believe there might be a limit on banks. It is preety much idiot proof, but there are some very stupid people that still can screw it up. All the incidents usualy are to do with pilots who think the computer will fix any mistakes that they do, so the pilots just watch and wait for the computer to fix it.
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Old 03-12-2006, 06:02 PM   #23  
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The 777 is a full generation ahead of the A320/A330/A340. From a maintenance perspective the Boeing is the hands down winner. When we pull into places that the Airbus flies as well the engineers are always complimentary of the 777, but not of the Airbus. Airbus ( the company ) is now offering to pay potential customers the operating cost differential between the A340 and the 777. The 777 is so much more efficient it isn't even a contest. It can carry ten tonnes more payload while burning 10 tonnes less fuel over a typical long haul route. That while getting there 30 minutes faster.

You can't judge Boeing because you flew a 767 simulator. Nor can you fully judge an Airbus because you flew an Airbus 320 simulator. It's the whole package that you have to look at.


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Old 03-12-2006, 06:22 PM   #24  
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Im not trying to say that Airbus is the best overal, I was just saying I prefer the way it flies. Overal the 777 does probably beat the A340, as is shown in the orders for last year(I think it was like 200 and something to 15). Air Canada thinks so highly of the 777 that they are going back on their conversion to an all airbus fleet(they were about 85% airbus).
But it was airbus that revolutionized commercial jets.
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I think the best flying jet aircraft of all time would have to be between the DC-9-10 series and the 727. I haven't flown the 757, but everyone who has raves about it. I thought the 737 was pretty sloppy , but my experience is limited to -300 and 400s. The MD-80 was nice, but you had to be pretty experienced in it to really fly it well. The 777 isn't really great to fly from a hand flying standpoint nor would any of the fly-by-wire Airbii as it is all artificial feel. Personally I prefer the real thing and nothing can ever beat cable and pulleys for pure feel.

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I agree, although the DC-9/MD-80 types had heavier control forces than the Boeings. The 727 was "quickest", but loud and cramped; and your outboard arm and leg froze on long night flights. The DC9-30 and 767-300 were somewhat underpowered, having been stretched without adding enough engine. We called the 767-200 "the dump truck". The 757 was a dream, and the 767-300ER was an even better dream. Never got to fly the 777, as I had to retire 5 years early to protect my lump sum--but I hear it's the best.
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an 15 year american f/o i know says the 727 was the "harley davidson" of airliners. hes been on the trip7 and 737 since then

i dont see boeing's rudders falling off over queens!!!
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There ain't nothing as agile, responsive, fast, and lands like a like twin as the old B727-100. Perfect flying airplane all the way around. Except for the position of the control columns... slightly off center, and the pneumatic design for Air Conditioning on the ground... heat up the floor on the left side. But the handling characteristice outshone the minor woes

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DC-10 has them all beat. Best Ever !!
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Best damn jump seat in the world... almost as good as the L-1011
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Lets see on a scale of 1--10-

B727=7 (about 400hrs on a 100 nice all power controls)
B707=6 (about 1000 hrs no power exept rudder veerrryy heavy)
B737=7 (about 150 hrs all power like a big fighter)
MD-83=8(about 8000 hrs you can see where my heart is lol)
DC-9/50=7(about 2000 hrs no power but handles well)
A320/321=8(about 1800 hrs a beautiful plane to fly)
LR60=9( only 100 hrs this is a fighter in disguise, OMG 23,500 MTW and 4600 a side hows that for power 2 weight lol)

all in all a bunch of super planes.
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