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Old 09-06-2008, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FlightPhoenix View Post
I have a suggestion to all US Air pilots East and West. If you can’t get along and hate your company and job, QUIT! Please, and let all of us out there who have lost out great jobs get employed again.
Easier said than done ...

And if you lost a GREAT job, USAirways is certainly not going to replace it ... FWIW.



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Old 09-06-2008, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine View Post
Anyone able to post an executive summary so I don't have to go to law school to decipher this thread?
****ing context. Loose, loose.....Glad I'm out of there
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Old 09-06-2008, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kronan View Post
The west and east guys aren't getting along and are suing each other
And the winners are........................


the lawyers
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Old 09-06-2008, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FlightPhoenix View Post
I have a suggestion to all US Air pilots East and West. If you can’t get along and hate your company and job, QUIT! Please, and let all of us out there who have lost out great jobs get employed again.
You are kidding me, right. Because you lost your job, they can't make observations about theirs? Hey, dipwad - there are homeless out there, does that keep you from complaining about your domicile being too hot, too cold, too small, etc? People are starving, do you never complain about a meal that didn't meet your expectations? Many poor can't afford a movie, do you complain about a poor movie? Many can't afford a car, do you complain about the $4 gas that you need to fuel yours?

It isn't their duty to get you employed. They happen to have jobs and they are well within their rights to complain about them if they want. Sorry if that offends you. Does most of this country have these communist/socialist tendencies, or is it just the members of this board?
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Old 09-06-2008, 05:36 PM
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The intent of the transition agreement is to facilitate the merger between two pilot groups. In it details about fleet counts, furlough protection, CBA voting and seniority integration among others are spelled out in detail. The lawsuit brought about by the west will allow the transition agreement between AWA and AAA to be presented before a federal judge in a court of law. This will preserve the integrity of the agreement by all three parties and allow for a definitive answer as to whether USAPA can actually make arbitrary changes to it without consulting anyone. USAPA's biggest obstacle will be to argue that "final and binding" in the agreement THEY agreed to no longer applies.
I predict these two legal claims will be short lived law suites because it is very black and white. The transition agreement is very specific how the seniority integration is to be conducted, including the finality of the arbitrator's ruling, and also how furloughs will take place. I am looking forward to how the USAPA lawyers are going to argue that the transition agreement which their client signed and agreed to no longer applies. A ruling in favor of the west will repudiate basically every tenet USAPA was created on.
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Old 09-06-2008, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Puros View Post
The intent of the transition agreement is to facilitate the merger between two pilot groups. In it details about fleet counts, furlough protection, CBA voting and seniority integration among others are spelled out in detail. The lawsuit brought about by the west will allow the transition agreement between AWA and AAA to be presented before a federal judge in a court of law. This will preserve the integrity of the agreement by all three parties and allow for a definitive answer as to whether USAPA can actually make arbitrary changes to it without consulting anyone. USAPA's biggest obstacle will be to argue that "final and binding" in the agreement THEY agreed to no longer applies.
I predict these two legal claims will be short lived law suites because it is very black and white. The transition agreement is very specific how the seniority integration is to be conducted, including the finality of the arbitrator's ruling, and also how furloughs will take place. I am looking forward to how the USAPA lawyers are going to argue that the transition agreement which their client signed and agreed to no longer applies. A ruling in favor of the west will repudiate basically every tenet USAPA was created on.
You mean there was more than one?
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Old 09-06-2008, 06:20 PM
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With our company hanging on by such a thin thread, this labor dispute could possibly spell doom for the airline. The courts need to step in and resolve this quick.
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Old 09-06-2008, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76 View Post
With our company hanging on by such a thin thread, this labor dispute could possibly spell doom for the airline. The courts need to step in and resolve this quick.
I'm actually am amuzed by all the mess over the radios over the past few days with the USAir radar tag but using the call sign "Cactus". Maybe West needs to charge USAPA a nominal fee every time one of their east pilots says USAir instead of Cactus....one way to get your maintenance fee.....

BTW this whole post is in jest to show the futility of this whole situation for both sides....
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Old 09-06-2008, 07:28 PM
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i think they should just agree that the callsign should be "usair-uh-cactus" cause that's what's being said anyway
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:40 PM
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This lawsuit has very little to do with the company and a lot to do with USAPA. West pilots realize that keeping the company in business is a priority, unlike others who would rather harm the company by playing games with fuel and delays. Now, a little injunctive relief for our West pilots that are being furloughed out of seniority, as well as preventing the company from making special deals like the 6 former East pilots that are going to get to go back East (out of seniority) and bump 6 other guys out, would be nice.

Believe me, this place has gone even further down the white bowl than I thought possible. If there is such a thing as a good pax airline job this is not it. However, it is still better than many other jobs and we are trying to make the best of the situation (while we get our logbooks up to date).
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