AWA PILOTS SUE USAIRWAYS and USAPA
09-08-2008, 02:51 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
With our company hanging on by such a thin thread, this labor dispute could possibly spell doom for the airline. The courts need to step in and resolve this quick.
09-08-2008, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Releasemaster
Easties are getting what they deserve for throwing the west guys under the bus. Did it ever occur to the Easties that without AWA they would have no job?
Did it ever occur to you that that argument is not based on fact, and maybe that childish I-read-it-in-USA Today stance is part of the reason this merger has been rough?
09-08-2008, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Puros
The intent of the transition agreement is to facilitate the merger between two pilot groups. In it details about fleet counts, furlough protection, CBA voting and seniority integration among others are spelled out in detail. The lawsuit brought about by the west will allow the transition agreement between AWA and AAA to be presented before a federal judge in a court of law. This will preserve the integrity of the agreement by all three parties and allow for a definitive answer as to whether USAPA can actually make arbitrary changes to it without consulting anyone. USAPA's biggest obstacle will be to argue that "final and binding" in the agreement THEY agreed to no longer applies.
I predict these two legal claims will be short lived law suites because it is very black and white. The transition agreement is very specific how the seniority integration is to be conducted, including the finality of the arbitrator's ruling, and also how furloughs will take place. I am looking forward to how the USAPA lawyers are going to argue that the transition agreement which their client signed and agreed to no longer applies. A ruling in favor of the west will repudiate basically every tenet USAPA was created on.
I predict these two legal claims will be short lived law suites because it is very black and white. The transition agreement is very specific how the seniority integration is to be conducted, including the finality of the arbitrator's ruling, and also how furloughs will take place. I am looking forward to how the USAPA lawyers are going to argue that the transition agreement which their client signed and agreed to no longer applies. A ruling in favor of the west will repudiate basically every tenet USAPA was created on.
09-08-2008, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Your prediction is difficult to place any weight on because it's not "law suite", it's "law suit" and actually it's not "law suit", it's "lawsuit". If you can't demonstrate that understanding of the basic concept, how can we place any validity to your assertions ?
09-08-2008, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Fugazi
Say what?!
09-08-2008, 07:24 PM
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rant alert!
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
All East pilots have to do is abide by the binding arbitration they agreed to...
Kinda shameful that it even got to this point. No way 1 ancient lawyer should have so much say in the careers of thousands of professional pilots. You guys should have been able to work it out amongst yourselves. Nicholau is ridiculous; DOH is ridiculous. I hope you guys get it together before another merger or runaway arbitrator occurs. I support the east because Nicholau abrogates length of service. I would support the West if DOH had been the case because a West pilot had greater career expectation pre-merger.
"it's binding" doesn't make it right or acceptable; actually it's embarrassing that two groups of professional airline pilots have to deliver their fates to a lawyer to sort them out. I think it does a dis-service to all of us when we have to let a lawyer settle pilot disagreements. Nicholau is wrong; DOH is wrong. Make us all proud and, put your selfishness/resignation aside, and work this thing out "in house". You guys should have more integrity than any ceo or lawyer. You're both screwed if someone else buys you. Good luck.
09-08-2008, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Your prediction is difficult to place any weight on because it's not "law suite", it's "law suit" and actually it's not "law suit", it's "lawsuit". If you can't demonstrate that understanding of the basic concept, how can we place any validity to your assertions ?
09-08-2008, 07:53 PM
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Great graphic. Where did you get it?
Both East and West have respectable legacies. Those of us who are waiting for the regionals to resume hiring have a lot of respect for both groups. Many of us agree with A320fumes in that we hope for the pilots to iron out something that is good for everyone (and not for the liars, uh, lawyers) including those of us who have apps in at wholly owned regionals...
Both East and West have respectable legacies. Those of us who are waiting for the regionals to resume hiring have a lot of respect for both groups. Many of us agree with A320fumes in that we hope for the pilots to iron out something that is good for everyone (and not for the liars, uh, lawyers) including those of us who have apps in at wholly owned regionals...
09-09-2008, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by AZFlyer
You are not authorized to publish my picture.
There is a war on, you know.
09-09-2008, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by A320fumes
Not....... 80+ year old Nicholau got it wrong, totally disregarded length of service. Mainly due to the fact that we don't have a national seniority list. Fight on East. Most of these guys would do anything to get out of a divorce decree levied by a 80+ year old senile judge, ie Nicholau. Don't think anyone of them would gleefully accept being placed behind a regional, AmWest new-hire, if they had 10 plus years at a major. Don't think DOH wold be fair either.
Kinda shameful that it even got to this point. No way 1 ancient lawyer should have so much say in the careers of thousands of professional pilots. You guys should have been able to work it out amongst yourselves. Nicholau is ridiculous; DOH is ridiculous. I hope you guys get it together before another merger or runaway arbitrator occurs. I support the east because Nicholau abrogates length of service. I would support the West if DOH had been the case because a West pilot had greater career expectation pre-merger.
"it's binding" doesn't make it right or acceptable; actually it's embarrassing that two groups of professional airline pilots have to deliver their fates to a lawyer to sort them out. I think it does a dis-service to all of us when we have to let a lawyer settle pilot disagreements. Nicholau is wrong; DOH is wrong. Make us all proud and, put your selfishness/resignation aside, and work this thing out "in house". You guys should have more integrity than any ceo or lawyer. You're both screwed if someone else buys you. Good luck.
Kinda shameful that it even got to this point. No way 1 ancient lawyer should have so much say in the careers of thousands of professional pilots. You guys should have been able to work it out amongst yourselves. Nicholau is ridiculous; DOH is ridiculous. I hope you guys get it together before another merger or runaway arbitrator occurs. I support the east because Nicholau abrogates length of service. I would support the West if DOH had been the case because a West pilot had greater career expectation pre-merger.
"it's binding" doesn't make it right or acceptable; actually it's embarrassing that two groups of professional airline pilots have to deliver their fates to a lawyer to sort them out. I think it does a dis-service to all of us when we have to let a lawyer settle pilot disagreements. Nicholau is wrong; DOH is wrong. Make us all proud and, put your selfishness/resignation aside, and work this thing out "in house". You guys should have more integrity than any ceo or lawyer. You're both screwed if someone else buys you. Good luck.
