Usapa attempts to have AWA pilots fired.
09-20-2008, 02:56 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by fr8tmastr
What is wrong with you?
Its grievance number 9 and 11 under article 10.
by the way grievance number 10 is the violation on the number of RJ's.
But that's ok it makes no difference, just go back to bashing East pilots
Its grievance number 9 and 11 under article 10.
by the way grievance number 10 is the violation on the number of RJ's.
But that's ok it makes no difference, just go back to bashing East pilots
09-20-2008, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Hey freight, I was unaware that usapa was filing a grievance over west pilots losing they-re jobs while new hires stayed on property, can you provide the text of this mystery grievance? didn't think so.
Just remember this little conversation later on, and be man enough to admit you were wrong. I will. Here is another guess, the arbitrator will be Block. (not sure of that spelling)
09-20-2008, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GW258
Folks, this type pilot is our biggest enemy, from with-in. He will never stand for anything as a group and will put his efforts into creating turmoil.
You will never gain ground with this individual, he will always complain and never put forth any effort for anyone other than himself.
You will never gain ground with this individual, he will always complain and never put forth any effort for anyone other than himself.
Let me get this straight....
1. America West cash & credit is used to rescue USAirways from the garbage heap. USAirways had less than 10 days cash remaining, no assets, toxic workforce, nobody willing to lend it a dime.
2. USAirways pilots rescued from working at Home Depot by America West infusion of cash & credit.
3. The USAirways and America West MEC's ALPA MEC's agreed to binding arbitration to settle seniority and integration issues.
4. Arbitration award comes out....East is ****ed! Again...these guys were 10 days away from the unemployment line.
5. East breaks away using higher numbers of pilots to scrap their union & replace it with a "crony" union representing only the east pilots.
6. East pilots upset that West pilots won't join the "scab" union. Threaten lawsuits, cry, whine, moan....everything except provide actual "representation".
Summary....
a. The East Coast pilots reneged on their pledge to binding arbitration. This goes directly to honor and integrity. It is sad to say that as a group and individually, they have none.
b. Due to the rancor of the East coast pilots, scab union breakaway, etc., the company is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy again. Financial analysts give LCC very little chance of survival.
c. East Coast pilots are still working under what is arguably the worst contract of any major carrier. Because of the seniority issue, they cannot even begin to negotiate a new contract. They are playing directly into managements hands and don't have a clue how to dig out.
d. The new "union" has absolutely no benefits, protections, etc. Just a bunch of clueless old East Coast dudes playing big dog, while no other legitimate union (ALPA, SWAPA, APA, NPA, etc.) will even return their phone calls. Both West and East pilots are left completely unprotected!
Basically....the East Pilots reneged on the deal of binding arbitration. They lack honor and integrity and cannot be trusted in any fashion.
When the company ultimately goes belly up, they will find when they apply at other ALPA & legitimate union carriers that they "aren't welcome".
Hey...you West Coast guys! Do what is right, because it is right! Stand tall knowing that you have integrity and have not sold out your soul and your profession.
East Coast guys....hang your heads in shame. Enjoy working at Wal Mart!
Gonna be funny.
09-20-2008, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mesasurvivor
How Special............
Let me get this straight....
1. America West cash & credit is used to rescue USAirways from the garbage heap. USAirways had less than 10 days cash remaining, no assets, toxic workforce, nobody willing to lend it a dime.
2. USAirways pilots rescued from working at Home Depot by America West infusion of cash & credit.
3. The USAirways and America West MEC's ALPA MEC's agreed to binding arbitration to settle seniority and integration issues.
4. Arbitration award comes out....East is ****ed! Again...these guys were 10 days away from the unemployment line.
5. East breaks away using higher numbers of pilots to scrap their union & replace it with a "crony" union representing only the east pilots.
6. East pilots upset that West pilots won't join the "scab" union. Threaten lawsuits, cry, whine, moan....everything except provide actual "representation".
Summary....
a. The East Coast pilots reneged on their pledge to binding arbitration. This goes directly to honor and integrity. It is sad to say that as a group and individually, they have none.
b. Due to the rancor of the East coast pilots, scab union breakaway, etc., the company is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy again. Financial analysts give LCC very little chance of survival.
c. East Coast pilots are still working under what is arguably the worst contract of any major carrier. Because of the seniority issue, they cannot even begin to negotiate a new contract. They are playing directly into managements hands and don't have a clue how to dig out.
d. The new "union" has absolutely no benefits, protections, etc. Just a bunch of clueless old East Coast dudes playing big dog, while no other legitimate union (ALPA, SWAPA, APA, NPA, etc.) will even return their phone calls. Both West and East pilots are left completely unprotected!
Basically....the East Pilots reneged on the deal of binding arbitration. They lack honor and integrity and cannot be trusted in any fashion.
When the company ultimately goes belly up, they will find when they apply at other ALPA & legitimate union carriers that they "aren't welcome".
Hey...you West Coast guys! Do what is right, because it is right! Stand tall knowing that you have integrity and have not sold out your soul and your profession.
East Coast guys....hang your heads in shame. Enjoy working at Wal Mart!
Gonna be funny.
Let me get this straight....
1. America West cash & credit is used to rescue USAirways from the garbage heap. USAirways had less than 10 days cash remaining, no assets, toxic workforce, nobody willing to lend it a dime.
2. USAirways pilots rescued from working at Home Depot by America West infusion of cash & credit.
3. The USAirways and America West MEC's ALPA MEC's agreed to binding arbitration to settle seniority and integration issues.
4. Arbitration award comes out....East is ****ed! Again...these guys were 10 days away from the unemployment line.
5. East breaks away using higher numbers of pilots to scrap their union & replace it with a "crony" union representing only the east pilots.
6. East pilots upset that West pilots won't join the "scab" union. Threaten lawsuits, cry, whine, moan....everything except provide actual "representation".
Summary....
a. The East Coast pilots reneged on their pledge to binding arbitration. This goes directly to honor and integrity. It is sad to say that as a group and individually, they have none.
b. Due to the rancor of the East coast pilots, scab union breakaway, etc., the company is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy again. Financial analysts give LCC very little chance of survival.
c. East Coast pilots are still working under what is arguably the worst contract of any major carrier. Because of the seniority issue, they cannot even begin to negotiate a new contract. They are playing directly into managements hands and don't have a clue how to dig out.
d. The new "union" has absolutely no benefits, protections, etc. Just a bunch of clueless old East Coast dudes playing big dog, while no other legitimate union (ALPA, SWAPA, APA, NPA, etc.) will even return their phone calls. Both West and East pilots are left completely unprotected!
Basically....the East Pilots reneged on the deal of binding arbitration. They lack honor and integrity and cannot be trusted in any fashion.
When the company ultimately goes belly up, they will find when they apply at other ALPA & legitimate union carriers that they "aren't welcome".
Hey...you West Coast guys! Do what is right, because it is right! Stand tall knowing that you have integrity and have not sold out your soul and your profession.
East Coast guys....hang your heads in shame. Enjoy working at Wal Mart!
Gonna be funny.
09-21-2008, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mesasurvivor
How Special............
Let me get this straight....
1. America West cash & credit is used to rescue USAirways from the garbage heap. USAirways had less than 10 days cash remaining, no assets, toxic workforce, nobody willing to lend it a dime.
2. USAirways pilots rescued from working at Home Depot by America West infusion of cash & credit.
Let me get this straight....
1. America West cash & credit is used to rescue USAirways from the garbage heap. USAirways had less than 10 days cash remaining, no assets, toxic workforce, nobody willing to lend it a dime.
2. USAirways pilots rescued from working at Home Depot by America West infusion of cash & credit.
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09-21-2008, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mesasurvivor
How Special............
Let me get this straight....
1. America West cash & credit is used to rescue USAirways from the garbage heap. USAirways had less than 10 days cash remaining, no assets, toxic workforce, nobody willing to lend it a dime.
2. USAirways pilots rescued from working at Home Depot by America West infusion of cash & credit.
Let me get this straight....
1. America West cash & credit is used to rescue USAirways from the garbage heap. USAirways had less than 10 days cash remaining, no assets, toxic workforce, nobody willing to lend it a dime.
2. USAirways pilots rescued from working at Home Depot by America West infusion of cash & credit.
Below is the opinion of another arbitrator of the dispatchers.
http://www.jamhoff.com/PDFs/ArbitratorDecisionAward.pdf
09-21-2008, 09:25 PM
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Parker said in the last CLT town hall meeting that US Air (East) was going to be liquidated absent the merger. AWA saved your butts. Just look at the SEC documents from the original filing. You guys were out of cash and AWA was the only one buying. If Parker had let US Air shutdown the way Lorenzo shut down Frontier, the seniority award would have been a total loss for the East. As it is you got the first 515 slots and relative seniority after that. Face it, the East pilots are the greedy ones.
No America West pilot ever crossed a picket line working for America West. There were a couple of guys that flew during the Wein strike long before AWA. The Australia thing the East likes to bring up was an ACMI charter 19 years ago with AWA planes only, and there was never a strike or even a picket line. There was an industrial dispute but there was no strike.
An ACMI charter is a lot different than forming a union for the sole purpose to screw the guys that saved your job.
No America West pilot ever crossed a picket line working for America West. There were a couple of guys that flew during the Wein strike long before AWA. The Australia thing the East likes to bring up was an ACMI charter 19 years ago with AWA planes only, and there was never a strike or even a picket line. There was an industrial dispute but there was no strike.
An ACMI charter is a lot different than forming a union for the sole purpose to screw the guys that saved your job.
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