Midwest pilots file grievance for outsourcing
#21
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What's unethical about it? Don't mix that with personal objections. What really is unethical about it in a business sense? Please don't tell me you're naive enough to believe that labor is any company's first priority. From a business standpoint BB does a great job. Personal opinions and emotions from the labor groups are just something that get in the companies' way. BB's ethical decisions are geared, as they should be, to his shareholders. They actually teach classes on it called "Business Ethics".
#23
No I just realize that it's a business and that it's obligation is first to its shareholders. Obviously that's not popular for the pilots but that doesn't change fact. I didn't say it was an endorsement of my opinion.
#24
He did do a good job. Why would you think otherwise? Any idea how profitable that was? He had an opportunity to fly 24 aircraft for CAL for pennies on the dollar in lease cost. That deal made CHQ a lot of money. No I haven't seen an E170 in CAL colors is that somehow important? I do see E-145s in CAL colors and a long term profitable deal which is something others are currently trying to strive for.
You are correct. The CPA BB managed to get with CAL and how profitable is quite "AMAZING" as you put it compared to what has been happening as of late.
Your assumption that I "must fly the mainline aircraft over there at RAH" was wrong but it's obvious you work at XJT. The non-stop bickering over an agreement between two other airlines, cheap shots at successful management, and talking down to anyone that flies larger than 50 seat aircraft is a dead give away.
Last edited by ToiletDuck; 09-25-2008 at 07:30 PM.
#25
What is that suppose to mean?
I worked for Skyway, and RAH...
We do not fly mainline airplanes here at RAH, the 170/175 is not a mainline airplane. Just because it has engines below the wing, looks like a mini 737, does not make it mainline.
we only have 70-76 seats on them..
I think BB is a good CEO. He knows how to make money. His job is not to care for the other pilots or us... His jobs is to make $$$.
I am on the street now, but I did go to another carrier that does operate those big MAINLINE airplanes, but if RAH calls me back, I will be the first one to fly this mainline(as u say) airplane under the midwest colors...
I did enjoy my time at SKyway, but those pilots did not care about us, so why should I care about them...karma is a bitc_...
P.s. WATCH THE COOKIE CRUMBLE......
#26
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If you are thinking that the Midwest pilots didn't care about the Skyway pilots how does that explain when the Midwest pilots pressed to have the Skyway pilots put on the seniority list at Midwest only to the CEO himself squash that idea? Or when Midwest was hiring we pressed to management to give preferential interviews to the Skyway pilots and bring them online? I think your karma is a little skewed if you think we didn't care about the Skyway pilots. We were all getting screwed by the Huckster and his cookie monsters.
#27
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when was the last time alpa wona grievance of any significane against a carrier of this type of magnitude--- enough said-- alpa may fight a little harder b/c they are actually losing dues money, but dont expect much out of it
#28
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What's unethical about it? Don't mix that with personal objections. What really is unethical about it in a business sense? Please don't tell me you're naive enough to believe that labor is any company's first priority. From a business standpoint BB does a great job. Personal opinions and emotions from the labor groups are just something that get in the companies' way. BB's ethical decisions are geared, as they should be, to his shareholders. They actually teach classes on it called "Business Ethics".
Many pilots on here seem to think airlines exist for them to have a job. Sadly for us, this is not the case. The successful airline will pay for productive pilots that bring in more revenue than they cost. Beyond that, supply and demand should dictate. Right now, pilots seem to be in high supply.
The us vs. them about management and pilots seems trite to me. The managers are not employed to make you happy. The happier they can make you, the better, of course. But, they have a job to do, too. They are paid more than most of us because they possess skills that are in higher demand with lower supply apparently. Either way, they are only paid as much as the market will allow just like us.
#29
If I was a shareholder, I would want the managers to hire the highest acceptable quality for the lowest available price. If equally qualified pilots are available for lower wages, it is their responsibility to try to hire them.
Many pilots on here seem to think airlines exist for them to have a job. Sadly for us, this is not the case. The successful airline will pay for productive pilots that bring in more revenue than they cost. Beyond that, supply and demand should dictate. Right now, pilots seem to be in high supply.
The us vs. them about management and pilots seems trite to me. The managers are not employed to make you happy. The happier they can make you, the better, of course. But, they have a job to do, too. They are paid more than most of us because they possess skills that are in higher demand with lower supply apparently. Either way, they are only paid as much as the market will allow just like us.
Many pilots on here seem to think airlines exist for them to have a job. Sadly for us, this is not the case. The successful airline will pay for productive pilots that bring in more revenue than they cost. Beyond that, supply and demand should dictate. Right now, pilots seem to be in high supply.
The us vs. them about management and pilots seems trite to me. The managers are not employed to make you happy. The happier they can make you, the better, of course. But, they have a job to do, too. They are paid more than most of us because they possess skills that are in higher demand with lower supply apparently. Either way, they are only paid as much as the market will allow just like us.
#30
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What is that suppose to mean?
I worked for Skyway, and RAH...
We do not fly mainline airplanes here at RAH, the 170/175 is not a mainline airplane. Just because it has engines below the wing, looks like a mini 737, does not make it mainline.
we only have 70-76 seats on them..
I think BB is a good CEO. He knows how to make money. His job is not to care for the other pilots or us... His jobs is to make $$$.
I am on the street now, but I did go to another carrier that does operate those big MAINLINE airplanes, but if RAH calls me back, I will be the first one to fly this mainline(as u say) airplane under the midwest colors...
I did enjoy my time at SKyway, but those pilots did not care about us, so why should I care about them...karma is a bitc_...
P.s. WATCH THE COOKIE CRUMBLE......
I worked for Skyway, and RAH...
We do not fly mainline airplanes here at RAH, the 170/175 is not a mainline airplane. Just because it has engines below the wing, looks like a mini 737, does not make it mainline.
we only have 70-76 seats on them..
I think BB is a good CEO. He knows how to make money. His job is not to care for the other pilots or us... His jobs is to make $$$.
I am on the street now, but I did go to another carrier that does operate those big MAINLINE airplanes, but if RAH calls me back, I will be the first one to fly this mainline(as u say) airplane under the midwest colors...
I did enjoy my time at SKyway, but those pilots did not care about us, so why should I care about them...karma is a bitc_...
P.s. WATCH THE COOKIE CRUMBLE......
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