ToiletDuck

Hopeless. As you said I only post factual information. I thought that was the point? No I've never said I support it I've spoken against it and I've only spoken against managements decision on this. Regardless of my opinion on things BB has still done his job and done it well. RJET has yet to lose money and continually finds new flying. That's his job, that's what he's done, so yes he's done a good job. I'm not naive to see that.

The times you've corrected me about xjet, when I said branded was bad, the markets they were serving was bad, that the balance sheet didn't play out and they wouldn't be able to sustain operations for long. Yes you corrected me on all that. Apparently I was wrong and the company is doing great, making money, and branded is booming at the seems.

"No one is putting words on your mouth". I think you mean in but yes that's exactly what you've been doing since in every post of yours you seem to be telling me my opinion of things. How I'm supposedly in support of other pilots losing their jobs. That would point to you not taking the time to read my opinions on the matter. I've only spoken completely against it in every form and fashion. Your ignorance on that is not my fault.

I read every letter BB has sent and I've never seen him praise God for taking flying from XJT.

"The problem with you quoting sources is you fail to have an opinion of your own". That's the point of quoting sources. An opinion doesn't dissuade fact. I have plenty of opinions but they are backed by factual information unlike your rants. I'm drinking Kool-aid? I think not. Facts=Kool-aid?

"Either in favor of the transaction or you're not". I'm not. Get it through your head.

My "numerous posts" about XJT has never been in relation to the pilots. It was about XJT the company. You want to have an educated discussion then you need to see the difference. Like you said I post factual information substantiated by actual sources. I'm sorry that for some reason you see a link to a balance sheet of your company as trash talking. Considering the threads were started by others about the financial stability of the company I thought we were talking about the financial stability of the company. Not opinions of the pilot group. I believe I've only stated that I have the utmost respect for them and wish them the best. As you said I quote sources and for the most part don't form opinions. That alone should point to the fact that no cheap shots are taken. If you don't like something said in the news it's not my fault. Your post are contradictory to one another. You say I don't form opinions but then say I'm emotional. Sorry Francis but that's not the case. I'm done talking with you about it. I'm not into high school debate. I'm not making personal attacks. I'm making rebuttals. If you keep making these junk post every time someone mentions RAH with obvious disregard to the facts, it's not trash talking for pointing it out.

HercDriver130

so I guess when SWA nails the coffin on Frontier ( if they do ) ... we can blame SWA mgt for putting thousands out of work at frontier????? Its an example... but we all know that SWA has smelled blood in the water in DEN for a couple of years.... they haven't ramped up their DEN operations to play nice... and if it puts Frontier out of business..... that's were the cookie crumbles from their standpoint I suspect.

FWIW... I think the RAH / Midwest deal blows chunks. I dont have a dog in that fight anymore but I still think its a bad idea. As for Bedford... well love him or hate him he turns a profit. As the CEO thats his job.... its not a popularity contest.

Rascal

Yeah, but SWA doesn't pay their pilots 20K a year. SWA is not perpetuating the race to the bottom( at leats nowadays they are not)

Bond

Bedford has decided to take a course of action that will put hundreds of folks out on the street and possibly signal the end of Midwest Airlines. There are folks on this forum that insist that it's ok because the deal is profitable and that's his job. Apparently morality is not part of the job, and those who support his decision are supporting the demise of the profession.

Anyone who thinks that the management at RAH is not directly responsible for lowering the bar (once again) on account of this transaction, clearly does not understand the long term impact to the industry as whole, much less to the hundred's of people that will be furloughed.

Defending a management team that advocates profit at the expense of the employees at Midwest is no different than supporting Frank Lorenzo or J.O. and their idea of a profitable airline model.

This deal (if it goes through) will affect this industry for years to come.

E6-B

If you're a CEO and the whole purpose of your job is going to be to increase value for your shareholders, I don't think morality and thinking about the other guy is at the top of your list.

Yeah, these kind of deals suck for pilots but in a lot of these cases there's nothing we can do about it. If businesses always play nice the one that didn't would crush the rest.

If we all wanted to live in our dreamworld where we get 20 days off a month and all make 200k and no one get furloughed I suppose we should all just go back to bed.

reino757

Who in the he** is out there???
I am reading so many "neutral" post, that it is quite alarming ! ( and telling at the same time ). This "profession" is where it is just for that reason...
Everyone sit on the sidelines ( just like age 60 ). This is PURE OUTSOURCING! You can reason all day long about the if's and but's . This is obvious to even the most casual observer! Chitaqua/ republic/ express...whichever list you're on... if you go to training to "fly a new shiny jet" then YOU ARE the problem.
NO if's and's of but's !!
OUT............................

Bond

So we're back to the point I made earlier which got deleted on account of TD's childish antics.

Many here believe it's ok for CEO's to do whatever they need to do to generate a profit. Thank God the pilots in the 80's had the good sense to keep that from happening, otherwise, Lorenzo would still be taking down airlines "for the sake of the stockholders".

Bedford is no different than Lorenzo in that he is destroying an airline to make a profit. No different than J.O. who sustained profitability at Mesa for many quarters at the expense of their hard working employees. No different than Hulas reducing, almost marginalizing TSA by creating an alter-ego that pays less money than most 50 seat operators.

So I ask of you is it ok? You said there's nothing you can do about it, how about your union? How about fighting to keep the profession from getting worse by stopping outsourcing. Guys, this isn't like Midwest put out a RFP and RAH answered the called. Open your eyes and realize that if this goes through, what's going to stop United (or any other airline) from trying something like this with a shady character like Bedford or Hulas.

Flyboydan

Just look at T.H of YX.


Although with everyone's bantering, go take up a majority share in a company you hate and kick the crappy CEO out. There are many things that are out of our control.


"Bedford is no different than Lorenzo in that he is destroying an airline to make a profit."

Actually you can blame all of the carriers decades ago for starting this whole regional airline deal instead of keeping all of their flying in house.

Bond

You think that makes it ok? Destroying an airline like Bedford is doing only aggravates the issue you speak of. All the more reason to try to stop this deal going through.

mking84

For somebody who doesn't work at XJT you are awfully concerned with us. When we did branded it was done out of necessity, 700+ pilots on the street then and 347 now. Hm.......and you know what ToiletDuck, 85% load factor in June. It did work, you just don't want to see it. Its unfortunate you dont wish us well, but I tell you what. I haven't seen my management get so desperate to pay somebody $25 mil to fly the E170. You BOUGHT flying, and it is putting YOUR colleagues on the street. What goes around comes around.