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09-30-2008 | 07:42 AM
#32
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Once we pass SOC, those new hires will not see the kind of deal that the 07-08 new hires at Delta got. You were in a unique place at the right time, with the right set of circumstances that allowed at new hire to go to the ER, let alone domestic 767. I seriously doubt that that will happen again.
09-30-2008 | 02:01 PM
#33
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Unless you get furloughed with 298 hours and only 357 days with the company. Keep in mind that in 2001 there was no AQP, it took 3-4 months to go through initial training and the reserve system was different, there was no raw score. You could put in a low yellow and never touch the controls of an airplane all month.
Once we pass SOC, those new hires will not see the kind of deal that the 07-08 new hires at Delta got. You were in a unique place at the right time, with the right set of circumstances that allowed at new hire to go to the ER, let alone domestic 767. I seriously doubt that that will happen again.
Once we pass SOC, those new hires will not see the kind of deal that the 07-08 new hires at Delta got. You were in a unique place at the right time, with the right set of circumstances that allowed at new hire to go to the ER, let alone domestic 767. I seriously doubt that that will happen again.
-Fatty
09-30-2008 | 03:05 PM
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NYC 737 F/O.....This month, 4-two day trips and six short calls. 40 hrs of flying. Over the Summer I averaged about 50 hrs a month. But, last Winter was only about 20-30 hrs a month. I just finished my first year last month and am still on reserve. But, living near base is key. Short call is just like another day at home. Only difference is you can't have a beer while watching the Mets choke again! Sitting short call right now, and just got back from a round of golf with my neighbors. I would say that living in base improves QOL dramatically!
09-30-2008 | 03:55 PM
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09-30-2008 | 06:39 PM
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I'm a CVG MD-88 FO that's been with DAL since April. I live in the midwest and commute to reserve. Almost all of our reserve lines are 2, 3 or 4 days off. Problem is it's not commutable for reserve (unless you want to roll the dice). That said, I usually have to come in the day before. So in all essence, take a day off of all the above for days truly spent at home. Last month I had 2, two days off. Problem was I didn't get back to CVG in time to commute home post trip and it wasn't worth going home for 24 hrs just to come right back. Last month I flew over 80 hours and slept in my own bed 6nights; OUCH!
There are very few options for crashpads in CVG but hotels are cheap. The Comfort Inn is $35/night. This month has been pretty rough as I had 5 overnights and have spent over 2 weeks on hotels on my own dime.
If you look at your guarentee of 70hrs@ $50/hr you are guaranteed roughly $3500 a month, plus per diem. Take out about $250 for insurance and another $600 for taxes and I bring home about $2650 a month.
Now take out as much as $35/night plus eating out all the time and you'll spend about $60/day on your own money if you're not called up. So, like this month, 14 days at $60/day and you spend about $840 per month as a commuter.
Finally subtract your commuting expenses from your take home pay $2650-840 and you truly earn about $1810 a month after everything.
And the true kicker. You are required to be on reserve 18 days a month. Each reserve day can be considered to be 12 hours. So 18x12 equals about 216 hours a month. Sure, you're not working all this time but you're gone way more than that. So, if you only take home $1810/month but are "on duty" for 216 hrs you really make just over $8/hr.
Damn near having to pay to go to work. Oh, and one last thing. I tapped out a 8 short calls this month and was called up on long call once, had 5 days on, 1 day off and 4 days on. Out of all 10 days all I did was 1 out and back so I didn't even get a hotel out of it.
There are very few options for crashpads in CVG but hotels are cheap. The Comfort Inn is $35/night. This month has been pretty rough as I had 5 overnights and have spent over 2 weeks on hotels on my own dime.
If you look at your guarentee of 70hrs@ $50/hr you are guaranteed roughly $3500 a month, plus per diem. Take out about $250 for insurance and another $600 for taxes and I bring home about $2650 a month.
Now take out as much as $35/night plus eating out all the time and you'll spend about $60/day on your own money if you're not called up. So, like this month, 14 days at $60/day and you spend about $840 per month as a commuter.
Finally subtract your commuting expenses from your take home pay $2650-840 and you truly earn about $1810 a month after everything.
And the true kicker. You are required to be on reserve 18 days a month. Each reserve day can be considered to be 12 hours. So 18x12 equals about 216 hours a month. Sure, you're not working all this time but you're gone way more than that. So, if you only take home $1810/month but are "on duty" for 216 hrs you really make just over $8/hr.
Damn near having to pay to go to work. Oh, and one last thing. I tapped out a 8 short calls this month and was called up on long call once, had 5 days on, 1 day off and 4 days on. Out of all 10 days all I did was 1 out and back so I didn't even get a hotel out of it.
09-30-2008 | 07:06 PM
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FWIW, I'm an ATL MD88 FO. They use me almost everyday on reserve. Unlike the regionals, however, the process to how they assign trips and use you is quite transparent. There isn't any junior high buddy/buddy with the schedulers to get a better QOL than the other guy. That's not to say that you can't call scheduling to help you out (they've helped me out a number of times). Examples: changing short call time periods, offering earlier trips if you make yourself available allowing easier commutes home, putting you first in line while on short call if you are sitting short call at the airport (vs having to sit at the hotel), flexible positioning of FX days, etc...
I average just over 1 day a month on long call (at home) - that they don't use me. Average 2 short calls a month. 82 hours a month pay. I commute so it is to my advantage to get used vs. having to sit short call so I yellow slip a lot of things that I might not otherwise have to fly. This is important to note in the event you live in base. Your QOL might be great sitting short call living in base, but as a commuter I'd view sitting short calls as a poor QOL.
To sum things up from my point of view, on the 88 you are going to get used a lot. You do have the ability to "see it coming" though and request the best trip for you via the computer. Overall, I think that commuting to reserve at Delta (I'm domestic with a lot of flights and the ability to drive if need be) is easier than reserve in base at my old company. Just my opinion.
I average just over 1 day a month on long call (at home) - that they don't use me. Average 2 short calls a month. 82 hours a month pay. I commute so it is to my advantage to get used vs. having to sit short call so I yellow slip a lot of things that I might not otherwise have to fly. This is important to note in the event you live in base. Your QOL might be great sitting short call living in base, but as a commuter I'd view sitting short calls as a poor QOL.
To sum things up from my point of view, on the 88 you are going to get used a lot. You do have the ability to "see it coming" though and request the best trip for you via the computer. Overall, I think that commuting to reserve at Delta (I'm domestic with a lot of flights and the ability to drive if need be) is easier than reserve in base at my old company. Just my opinion.
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