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11-23-2008 | 09:31 AM
#51
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I'm at American. I'm not a Jetblue hater. I did read the 19 pages of psycho babble about justifying trans-con turns. That is why we have unions. I know some of you loved the idea of extra days off by submitting to the trans-con turns, but it wasn't worth the risk.
That idea would have never made it past the drawing board. 4am wake-up, 8pm Canarsie VOR in low vis. All in the same day.
That idea would have never made it past the drawing board. 4am wake-up, 8pm Canarsie VOR in low vis. All in the same day.
11-23-2008 | 10:26 AM
#52
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Just wondering who you want to protect you if, God forbid, you screw up during a trip? ALPA may not be the best show in town, but they certainly go to bat for their pilots, whether it's in the medical, legal, or any other help. Are they the answer to our prayers? No, probably not, but they DO PROTECT us, and THAT is the bottom line. No union means NO protection. In this industry, if you screw up, chances are you are done. Must be nice to be in a situation where you need NO protection. This argument is just like car insurance. Sure, you can drive for a long time and never need it, but when you do need it, it sure is nice to have. I'll take ALPA or ANY union over nothing any day.
The truth is that most guys who did get fired deserved to be fired and should stay off the property and not be artificially reinstated by some union.
ALPA is a joke; you fell for the insurance sales pitch. You pay your dues and when push comes to shove ALPA will side with management anyway.
Ask all your guys out on furlough…
11-23-2008 | 10:34 AM
#53
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I'm at American. I'm not a Jetblue hater. I did read the 19 pages of psycho babble about justifying trans-con turns. That is why we have unions. I know some of you loved the idea of extra days off by submitting to the trans-con turns, but it wasn't worth the risk.
That idea would have never made it past the drawing board. 4am wake-up, 8pm Canarsie VOR in low vis. All in the same day.
That idea would have never made it past the drawing board. 4am wake-up, 8pm Canarsie VOR in low vis. All in the same day.
The trans-con-turn issue is long history and has nothing to do with management/union issues. Local FAA screwed than one up by allowing us to test this without ‘Big FAA’ approval. It did not make sense for 30/7 reasons either.
Instead of wasting time on old topics why don’t you invest your time at APA, maybe you can convince them to grow a backbone and finally stop their tracking exercises and
go ahead with a strike.
There you have a once powerful Union turning into a Chicken as soon as management
said ‘Boo’ (or Chapter 11). Twothousandninehunderdandeighty members less you guys
still don’t see the light. I’d rather have no union than something useless like APA or ALPA.
11-23-2008 | 10:40 AM
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Marching order? Yeah, ok.
Question for you. Is your healthcare, not pay, not retirement, but healthcare sufficient for your family? A simple yes or no answer would suffice. If you can honestly say that our healthcare is adequate then we have huge problems. If we care so much about our people then why are we NOT caring for them with healthcare? I always read in emails how we need to give our 110% with our customer but this company does not give that in return to its workers? Seems a little strange dont you think?
Question for you. Is your healthcare, not pay, not retirement, but healthcare sufficient for your family? A simple yes or no answer would suffice. If you can honestly say that our healthcare is adequate then we have huge problems. If we care so much about our people then why are we NOT caring for them with healthcare? I always read in emails how we need to give our 110% with our customer but this company does not give that in return to its workers? Seems a little strange dont you think?
What prevents up from improving benefits by direct negotiation now?
Too much HOPE for CHANGE guys, I am sure you will get change with a Union, but will it be the kind of change you really had in mind?
11-23-2008 | 10:50 AM
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Apparently you are not mentally able to discuss a topic with out resorting to insults.
What you are missing, is that we are negotiating a new contract every year if we want to.
Try that with your Union; ask your buddies in other airlines how long they have flown without a contract amendment. If management did or did not certain ‘numbers’ now,
why would that change with a Union?
Why don’t you go back to any of your previous unionized airlines? Did not work out
for you there, did it?
You Union dudes disgust me
11-23-2008 | 01:26 PM
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Oh Waterboarder............................
Did you forget to respond here or did I just stump you?
I did stump you didn't I?
You sure have a lot to say but you can't answer this one!
AL
Did you forget to respond here or did I just stump you?
I did stump you didn't I?
You sure have a lot to say but you can't answer this one!
AL
Last edited by alvrb211; 11-24-2008 at 06:39 AM.
11-23-2008 | 04:35 PM
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11-24-2008 | 06:17 AM
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Waterboarder,
For once it looks like you're stuck for words.
And, the question wasn't even all that clever!
Speaks volumes!
Clearly you weren't aware you were opening a can of worms.
AL
For once it looks like you're stuck for words.
And, the question wasn't even all that clever!
Speaks volumes!
Clearly you weren't aware you were opening a can of worms.
AL
Last edited by alvrb211; 11-25-2008 at 04:59 AM.
11-24-2008 | 03:39 PM
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I am furloghed AA now at B6, APA barks they dont bite, Aprey is fleecing them as did Carty in 2003. Lets see what happens the day before Thanksgiving, if APA is soooo upset as they claim to be, then they should go with the their so called plan. I see a mental difference in B6 and AA. I like it here and as of now if I were called back, I would not go. Everybody has there own agenda, mine is to take the path of least resistance and right now B6 is that path. I feel relaxed.
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