[quote=Jughead;499546]I fly this arrival a lot, and I'm just your average line pogue, but I don't understand the problem here. The letter states, "Here is the problem: The increase in flight crew workload created by the NOTAM requirements are causing airplanes to descend lower than the altitudes prescribed in the ELDEE Arrival procedure."

Why is that? If new crossing restrictions are issued via NOTAM, don't they supercede the published crossing restrictions? I've put those in the FMS (making the first restriction at, not at or above), and with some prior planning, updated winds, and maybe even a fake initial point 3nm from the first restriction, it seems to have worked fine for me.

What am I missing?

,,,,Yes, NOTAM supercedes STAR. Easier said than done at time for some. Like the 10 that filed through ASRS. And there are a lot more that don't file the report (pilots, controllers) and just pretend it didn't happen. This has been going on even before the NOTAM with the problem being multiple crossings with same altitude.

Easy to blame the flight crew. Even easier to fix the procedure with a permanent amendment (ELDEE4 ?)

 

Whoever designed that arrival is a ............[/quote]


FAA procedures staff (basically, a gal that used to be an air traffic controller at Andrews AFB a few years ago and a fellow that has the title of Support Manager) designed these and every other such procedure in Potomac TRACON's airspace.

They do not work with any other entity (airline reps , ATCers.) At best, whatever complaints they receive after version 1 are considered for version 2.

 

DAO1:

For yours and the sake of other pilots on this forum, I've got to correct you on this one. What you said is totally wrong! They do work with many other entities to come up with these procedures. The issues with this approach implies to me,that they tried to build the approach while meeting the requirements of many other groups and also the FAA Order. Also, I 've worked with these people in the past, and they are a highly quaified, technically astute group of people. Some of the finest within the FAA. Many are previous controllers but some came up through the Flight Standards and Air Navigation and Flight Inspection Services.

 

Guys, I think we are beating this thing to death. Solution.....when they tell you to descend via and you can't make it there is one simple response to ATC. It sounds a little something like this..........."unable." So they vector you around, still better than getting violated.