An acceptable pay ratio
12-31-2008, 03:30 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by labbats
Not to worry. Age 65 is going to create another pilot vacuum in 4 years. Mix that in with empty flight schools right now and you'll be fine.
Seems like there's a bazillion pilots right now, but take a good look at all the high paying jobs. The majority are gray haired and started flying in Vietnam. They have to leave soon and there aren't enough seats to go around when they do. Then suddenly we get supply and demand working for us and ab initio creates the backlash. Ab initio can't fill left seats though.
Seems like there's a bazillion pilots right now, but take a good look at all the high paying jobs. The majority are gray haired and started flying in Vietnam. They have to leave soon and there aren't enough seats to go around when they do. Then suddenly we get supply and demand working for us and ab initio creates the backlash. Ab initio can't fill left seats though.
12-31-2008, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED
They need to be making that with-in 6 months of hiring. This crap where some one is supposed to pay penance for the first year is absurd.
I think what the original poster was talking about was more on the regional level. Delta may be at 68% (of course this is after those horrendous concessionary wages you are working for) but here in regional land (where most of us will end up because of the way the business is being parted out like an old airframe). I as a 2nd year FO still make less than 1/2 what the guy with his feet propped up in the other seat checking stock quotes on his blackberry while I do all the work, gets paid.
out of breath...
I've always been the type that says put the time in the money and perks will come, I am starting to listen to those that said I was wrong.
I think what the original poster was talking about was more on the regional level. Delta may be at 68% (of course this is after those horrendous concessionary wages you are working for) but here in regional land (where most of us will end up because of the way the business is being parted out like an old airframe). I as a 2nd year FO still make less than 1/2 what the guy with his feet propped up in the other seat checking stock quotes on his blackberry while I do all the work, gets paid.
out of breath...I've always been the type that says put the time in the money and perks will come, I am starting to listen to those that said I was wrong.
12-31-2008, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Eck4Life
Is this for equal longevity with the company? I doubt it. They are saying that the ratio applies to 10 year CA and 10 year FO, for example. You can't expect to make 68% of what the 20 year veteran sitting next to you makes in your first year.
Granted, they are there, but there's not too many 10 year FO's at the regionals.
12-31-2008, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You will find very few if any Viet Nam Vets left flying. The war ended in 72. A pilot who was 28 that year getting out would now be 65. Most Viet era pilots are now well into their seventies.
In all seriousness veterans have my deepest respect. While my math is a bit off (as usual) the fact remains that there will be significant attrition shortly and very few pilots are being created here and now.
12-31-2008, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by labbats
Yes, but you're all so youthful!
In all seriousness veterans have my deepest respect. While my math is a bit off (as usual) the fact remains that there will be significant attrition shortly and very few pilots are being created here and now.
In all seriousness veterans have my deepest respect. While my math is a bit off (as usual) the fact remains that there will be significant attrition shortly and very few pilots are being created here and now.
If JetBlue or USAirways fails, will all of their flights be taken over by a major or will most of it be flown by a growing regional like Republic or Skywest?
01-01-2009, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Eck4Life
Is this for equal longevity with the company? I doubt it. They are saying that the ratio applies to 10 year CA and 10 year FO, for example. You can't expect to make 68% of what the 20 year veteran sitting next to you makes in your first year.
I do agree longevity should account for something my comment was to add to the poster who suggested an FO should make 35-40k/yr in his 3rd year.I am saying he should be making that the day he completes training.
I am at Republic. A third year captain, (and yes we have some) makes $72 and change flying a 175. Third year FO makes $35 and change flying any equipment. I know that this is our contract but it is not much different elsewhere on the regional level. It wasn't too long ago that I was going to be a 3rd year captain. That said, our company is not that old and over the last 10 years has seen amazing growth with the destruction of the "major" industry. We need to adjust our contract for the possibility that some folks may be occupying the right seat for several years.
IMHO the guy who has been there 20 years is not making enough to be away from his family for 20 years for a company manager who gets to go home every night with his 7 figure income. Sickens me the, the incredible difference in compensation.
Hey, Happy New Year!
01-01-2009, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You will find very few if any Viet Nam Vets left flying. The war ended in 72. A pilot who was 28 that year getting out would now be 65. Most Viet era pilots are now well into their seventies.
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