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Old 04-23-2006, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Skywriting
Your negativety on this subject has been very will document and I need not say anything further in that regard.
I would point out though , many people on the opposite side of the debate have suffered and died for the privlege you have of expressing your opinions on this forum and far to many did't have the opportunities you have and continue to have.
It seems to me that its not fair to those that fought hard for benifits , wages and workrules and then just resign ones self to the status quo. You may think this attitude is looking at things with rose color glasses and your entitled to your opinion . But wearing rose colored glasses has more appeal to me than blinders.
I'm sorry your jaded toward this industry most of us love. Hope you can find your calling before its to late.

I have found my calling. Its in actually earning a living for the first time in my adult life. Since leaving the profession I have the liberty to call it like it is. I don't feel obligated to try and cheer myself up with false statements about how things will get better and all. I honor those who have sacrificed for my liberties to provide my honest opinion by giving it. I suppose that was a military reference?

In closing, I did love this industry just as everyone else. It just failed to love me or my peers back. People need to know.

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Old 04-23-2006, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
. People need to know.

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People need to know WHAT?

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Old 04-23-2006, 06:38 PM
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SkyHigh, do you spend as much time on the wannabe sights as you do here? If you really want to protect the wannabees from all of us dastardly union thugs, you should probably go hang out on pilotcareers.com.

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Old 04-23-2006, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by skybolt
SkyHigh, do you spend as much time on the wannabe sights as you do here? If you really want to protect the wannabees from all of us dastardly union thugs, you should probably go hang out on pilotcareers.com.

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I have done it in the past, but most of those kids are a total loss. If anything gives me more pause for the future of the industry it is this latest post 9-11 generation of pilots who come fully prepared to be poor and abused throughout their entire career.

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Old 04-23-2006, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by skybolt
People need to know WHAT?

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They need to know that the wages are low, odds are long and working conditions are beginning to closely resemble actual work.

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Old 04-24-2006, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
I have found my calling. Its in actually earning a living for the first time in my adult life. Since leaving the profession I have the liberty to call it like it is. I don't feel obligated to try and cheer myself up with false statements about how things will get better and all. I honor those who have sacrificed for my liberties to provide my honest opinion by giving it. I suppose that was a military reference?

In closing, I did love this industry just as everyone else. It just failed to love me or my peers back. People need to know.

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I have only one other thing to say about what you view as the truth Skyhigh and your mission to make it known. I can't find very many posts if any by you showing the positive side of the airline industry. Your opinions are welcomed but obviously one sided and radical. People on the other side of the argument are willing to admit the short comings of the industry but offer hope and suggestions to make it better. You offer bitterness, contempt and gloom. Your consumed with the idea that life offered you a Sh#t sandwich and your not old enough to arrive at that conclusion yet. Grow up, find something pleasant in your life and move on. People here have no need for your self pity. We all have problems and deal with them yours have been laundered in this forum quite long enough.
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Old 04-24-2006, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Skywriting
I have only one other thing to say about what you view as the truth Skyhigh and your mission to make it known. I can't find very many posts if any by you showing the positive side of the airline industry. Your opinions are welcomed but obviously one sided and radical. People on the other side of the argument are willing to admit the short comings of the industry but offer hope and suggestions to make it better. You offer bitterness, contempt and gloom. Your consumed with the idea that life offered you a Sh#t sandwich and your not old enough to arrive at that conclusion yet. Grow up, find something pleasant in your life and move on. People here have no need for your self pity. We all have problems and deal with them yours have been laundered in this forum quite long enough.
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There are plenty of people here to offer the sunny side of aviation. I honestly do not have much to say that is positive, it killed my friends, destroyed lives, financially broke myself and others several times, forced me to move to places I didn't want to and overall was a perpetual disappointment. I have moved on, but after 20 years of studying the industry it has become an ingrained part of my personality. I still feel passionate about aviation and think that it is necessary to pass some of my experiences on. I wish a Skyhigh would have crossed my path years ago.

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Old 04-24-2006, 07:20 AM
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Now that the thread has been substantially hijacked... can we get back to discussing the TA?

I'm curious to know some reactions from folks on the line at Delta. What the rest of us think doesn't matter. It all comes down to the folks that have a vote. Their vote will affect the rest of us indirectly.

So (for those of you that work at DAL)... yes, or no?
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Old 04-24-2006, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
I have moved on,
really?? what has the last 850+ posts been about, cooking??

but after 20 years of studying the industry it has become an ingrained part of my personality. I still feel passionate about aviation and think that it is necessary to pass some of my experiences on. I wish a Skyhigh would have crossed my path years ago.

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All kidding aside, SkyHigh makes some very good points, most aren't worth a Shi*, but some are on the money.
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Old 04-24-2006, 08:27 AM
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I do not understand why you guys keep sparring with Skyhigh he deserves no sympathy. He did not make it, so no one else should end of story. His analogies are simplistic, all of us who fly aircraft to the limits set by the manufactures test pilots every day know better. It takes skills to do that or handle the aircraft during an emergency. We land the aircraft when the aircraft automation “auto pilot” cannot. ie strong crosswinds, slippery conditions, inop equipment, etc. I too paid my dues for a decade before FedEx and many of my fellow inspiring pilots quit and are now just as jaded as Skyhigh “see the common thread” because I did not make it all airline pilots are over paid and under worked. Does every inspiring doctor, lawyer, Indian chief make it regretfully no! If it is so easy to fly why do so many fail our simulator interview?????? Flying did not make you move or go broke your decisions did you were a civilian like me we could accept or reject jobs to my knowledge only the military guys HAD to move. Do I have super human skills? No I can prang it on with the best of them but I do have the flying skills required for my job and regardless of what you say not every 172 pilot has them. Its the reason most ga airports are quiet during bad wx or very windy conditions. Also all month I have been shooting mostly nonpercision apchs in a heavy jet A300 at JFK VOR13L and MIA LOC08L every flight, so much for your ILS autoland every apch theory. I still have my first wife of 11 years and a beautiful daughter who I spend lots of time with. Sure I miss some special days but knew that when I took the job. Hope Skyhigh keeps up his ranting! Less inspiring pilot’s mean the pilot supplies will dry up and wages will increase. Ie the law of supply and demand. The same one he quotes for lowering our wages also works in reverse. After reading your billion or so post I think your not making it was more your attitude than a company folding. Proudly flying the line hfbpilot
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