Who is U3K?

I couldn't believe it either but she insisted.

Yet it's ok that the industry is eroded by carriers such as United? I don't see you bashing them. Their contract has degraded to near regional airline status in almost every way but that's ok?

I say lay off the VA guys, let them do their thing and just be happy that "you got yours", while thousands of your pilot brethren are struggling just to feed their families and keep their homes.

This selfish attitude is a huge part of the problem in this business. You don't give a rip about anyone but yourself.

Flame on children.

What contract ? Or is that the point? ;)

UAL has an entirely different set of issues, but they are not the cause of erosion in the industry. I cannot same the same for the LCC's (and SJS)

You fail to make the differentiation between the company and the people who are employed there. I''m not bashing the VA guys, I'm bashing VA, and will dance a jig on their corporate grave after ****ing on it. Ditto JBlu, AT and other LCC's. I do feel for the employees who go to work for such outfits, but I think most are pragmatic about the duration of such employment. By your rational, I should feel sympathy for those crossing picket lines, because they have families to feed and mortgages as well.

Speaking of giving a rip, I'm sure all those RJ and LCC pilots weren't feeling anything but joy as they were getting hired to fly the lift being given away by the legacies. Now the tide is starting to flow the other direction, and we are selfish and the cause of the industries ills?

Fraternity in this biz means stealing out of your brothers back pocket to feed yourself, and if he stops you, you yell "he's beating me up".

My best guess USA 3000

There are very good people working for VA, I know a three guys that work there and they are outstanding individuals, what bothers me is that an organization like Virgin will come to the US and start an airline with the lowest salary rates of all their companies (including Virgin Nigeria) and we flock by the thousands to take their offer, is as if we accept to be less of a professional than a pilot in Australia or Nigeria and although I think there are very good aviators all over the world, there are also very good aviators in the United States as well so I just don't understand why a brand as well experienced in hiring pilots all over the world feels that one of their pilots in Australia or Africa is worth $150/H and a pilot here in the US doing the same job and flying the same airplane is worth $100/H?

The short answer is that we have pilots here who will work for $100/hr.

And those issues at UAL affect the industry just as much if not more than any LCC ever did. Their contract degradation has lowered the bar that was once the top of the industry to less than those at some LCCs. QOL is worse at UAL than many of the start-ups. They're setting a precedent of allowing their once strong contract to be decimated, and that is sure to hinder future contract negotiations of all the airlines. So to say that they aren't part of the cause of the erosion of the industry is not a valid statement.

By your rationale, people who work for an LCC are akin to scabs. Crossing a picket line is a completely different issue. Are you on strike right now? No.

I'm not saying you should feel sympathy for anyone. I'm saying that the fact that someone chooses to fly for a company that doesn't have as high a pay scale as your company doesn't make them a bad person and they don't deserve to be berated either directly or indirectly.

What about SWA? They were/are an LCC. They most definitely began as an LCC. Look at them now. They're where "everyone" wants to go. They're at or near the top of the industry. Who's to say that VA doesn't turn out to be another SWA in 10-15 years? Unlikely maybe, but who are you to judge?

Instead of pointing a finger at companies that don't meet with your approval, maybe you should just sit quietly there in your 57 and just be happy that you've got yours.

I wish that were true.