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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 549768)
Sadly, UAL may very well go out of business.
SWA is the one aberration to the LCC model. If it was so easy and that was all there was to it why aren't there a bunch of long term SWA clones out there? Other than SWA how many of the other LCC models since deregulation are still in business? My whole point to this stupid discussion was that VA and it's employees shouldn't be treated poorly just because they present competition to your airline. You don't have to like it but in a free market society, you're going to face it from time to time. If your legacy carrier is so fantastic, then you shouldn't need to worry. But instead of acting like a child and pointing fingers/calling names, be an adult and let them run their business. If they fail, they fail. I agree, I don't think they'll survive in the long run but that's not, and never was, the point of this discussion. You still haven't answered my question regarding who at the LCCs have claimed that they pay as much as UAL. |
Originally Posted by John Pennekamp
(Post 549733)
IReally?
How about truck drivers? Are they all union? Bus drivers? Nope. Airplane mechanics? Nope. Delta's flight attendants? Nope. This has nothing to do with an inflated ego. If the company and government want to treat me like a cubicle worker for pay and promotion, then I shouldn't be held to a higher employment standard than those same workers. |
Originally Posted by John Pennekamp
(Post 549733)
I don't disagree, but the point is that there isn't much we can do to stop it. Instead of burying their heads in the sand and wishing the 60s back, ALPA isn't doing much. They need to be adapting to the times.
Really? How about truck drivers? Are they all union? Bus drivers? Nope. Airplane mechanics? Nope. Delta's flight attendants? Nope. Tell me again what makes pilots so special? And you accused ME of having a chip on my shoulder on another thread? And how many non union airliners are falling out of the sky worldwide? YGBKM! I have read both volumes of Flying the Line. This is not that era anymore! Put down the Kool Aid and realize that times have changed, and we need to adapt to the new reality, not continue to stand firm in the face of a tidal wave coming. Open skies changed EVERYTHING and Virgin America is the tip of the spear. If the US pilot groups don't change now and get together with management to fight it, we will be extinct in 20 years. The US airline industry will be like what the shipping industry is. |
Originally Posted by aileronjam
(Post 549775)
yep
None as successful as SWA, yet. . No one is treating VA employees poorly - you are even getting the JS to get to work so you can live somewhere you can afford, which you would be unable to do in SOCAL on the wages they pay. Other carriers are in effect subsidizing your substandard wages. Never seen a VA pilot kicked off the JS yet. |
PWI
Cited for Posting While Intoxicated. Go Steelers. |
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 549922)
And you won't be. You'll be Ch7 like every other LCC since deregulation. I give VA less than 2 months after the financial data is released.
No one is treating VA employees poorly - you are even getting the JS to get to work so you can live somewhere you can afford, which you would be unable to do in SOCAL on the wages they pay. Other carriers are in effect subsidizing your substandard wages. Never seen a VA pilot kicked off the JS yet. |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 549338)
Branson wants to turn pilots into hired help. Fu(k him and that airline. I have no sympathy.
Amen brother... VA will turn out the lights soon, talked to a VA F/A that said the loads are a joke. C-ya Dick Branson and take your ***** pilots with you... |
Originally Posted by Fly4hire
(Post 549922)
And you won't be. You'll be Ch7 like every other LCC since deregulation. I give VA less than 2 months after the financial data is released.
No one is treating VA employees poorly - you are even getting the JS to get to work so you can live somewhere you can afford, which you would be unable to do in SOCAL on the wages they pay. Other carriers are in effect subsidizing your substandard wages. Never seen a VA pilot kicked off the JS yet. As far as the rest of it, I'm done arguing with you about this since it has become rediculous. You're entitled to your own opinion, even if you are wrong. |
Originally Posted by whaledriver1
(Post 550003)
Amen brother...
VA will turn out the lights soon, talked to a VA F/A that said the loads are a joke. C-ya Dick Branson and take your ***** pilots with you... |
Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin
(Post 549191)
Good friend of mine works for Virgin. She flew the SFO-LAX round trip last night......not a soul on board both ways.
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