Cathay Pacific one of the highest paid airlines re-sets your pay when you upgrade. I dont think its lowering the bar at all, it just depends on what 1st year pay is. Its a European things, thanks Sir Richard.

Upgrading Captains do not got back to first year pay. Longevity determines pay.

Not at Virgin America, unless it's changed since they started up.

What is MEC?

Start up companies are going to have non union workers, that is inevitable. At one point SWA was non union, so was DAL, NWA. So what do you suggest those pilots do while they are trying ot organize? Maybe you should try to spread the word instead of tainting it.

It has changed.

It is interesting that most of the diatribe that is posted as "fact", is generally b.s.... From the above issue to load factors, from finance to QOL issues. Most of the info is available through published interviews with their CEO over the past year... Although actually looking up facts would probably spoil the entertainment value that some seem to get, by hoping for the ill will of others.

Skipper

The JS that VA and any other non-union carrier enjoys are granted by the MEC (union Master Executive Council) of those carriers. I was responding to the charge that VA pilots are being treated poorly - they are not.

I do not see VA as a future SWA or anything else - the work rules and pay are another blight, hopefully eradicated, on our profession. Yet we still give you the JS, which is not a "right", but a privilege.

After editing my post I did some research. I did find that the Longevity now carries over to the left seat. The pay still needs massive improvement. I'll make more on my 2 yr pay then a 6 yr VA FO.

In regards to the load factors, I cannot comment because I don't know. I did see that VA is scheduled to take deliveries this year, but I don't know if the economic downturn will effect that. I suspect it will.

I don't wish ill-will on the VA employees, but I CANNOT support the horrible wages, nor a company which was created by RB. I'm sure he would LOVE to get his paws on the US market,(he basically has) and I will not support cabatoge.

Please note that I don't consider VA cabatoge. I just won't support an airline created by a foriegn owner who most likely will attempt to further expend his company in the USA.

Good grief I thought this was a pilot forum, not a law forum.

Just wanted to break the ice a little :)

But he is right.

Good point. Still, I have a right to my opinion and management has a right to terminate my employment or, since this forum is also part of a business, moderators have a right to toss me.

They aren't cabotage, but how long before foriegn ownership and cabotage rules change due to the economy and globalization?

Anyone here wear America's jeans, Levis? Anyone know how many Levis factories are left in the United States? As long as pilots keep fighting each other, our day will come too and it won't be pretty.