CO737,3,5,7,8,9

Dude, I have no idea what you are talking about. Skyhigh and I have different perspectives and that's about all I have to say about that. As for the rest of your post I'm having difficulty following your thought process. I personally would never advocate anyone trust a company, especially an airline, for their retirement etc. I simply do not hold the opinions you are assigning to me in this post. Have a nice day.

tomgoodman

If the company starts making a lot of money, those dates are correct. Management will say "A contract is a contract."

But if financial results are not "satisfactory", they can delay BK exit and file a new 1113 petition to get additional bites of the apple. Even after exiting BK, they can re-enter, as CAL did.

Like dating a gorilla, it's over when the gorilla says it is.

B757200ER

Interesting observation, which I don't happen to agree with.

May I offer another perspective, from a well-known industry publication, by a very respected, retired FedEx MD11 Captain, who loved his job:

"These days, the airline corporations have done everything possible to denigrate the profession and divide pilot from pilot. They turn our love of flying against us. As I was told by one of the endless parade of executives, 'You guys love airplanes. We can take away almost everything and you'll stick around just to fly.' Those of us with the fire inside frequently express our great loss in this way: we absolutely love what could and should be, and absolutely detest what it has become, what the corporation has made it. And we have to wonder why. We all miss what could have been."

crewdawg52

Just wondering what flavor is 2 dot slow's favorite is? Tropical punch or wild cherry?

Eric Stratton

aren't you one of those wolves? willing to do the job at sub-par rates and telling people on this board that you are willing to cross a picket line for their job if they strike.

unbelieveable

2dotslow

That too, is an interesting perspective, albeit the quoted executive surely can't be so naive as to believe what he supposedly said, and the respected Captain sounds like a fatalist. A lot of the rhetoric attributed to airline managers or union officials is nothing more than shots across the bow of the other side to get attention. Some of what's said is (unbelievably) purposely misconstrued for each side's particular motives. I meant no disrespect to others with my views...I truly feel that flying is an extremely easy,and enjoyable job. If I outted myself a lazy, so be it, but I've always been, I know. Having been furloughed after 11 years (I retired subsequently) did not alter my views about union or management an iota. I never trusted either, and put up with both as necessary evils of the trade. I firmly believed then, and still do, that there is a direct proportional relationship to intense pro-union activity by individual pilots, and lack of flying ability...read CYA for weakness. In fact, I've seen it in action, and by some of my oldest friends. By the same token, the Wolfs, Cartys, the drughead NWA exec, etc. all had a single, overriding priority...themselves. Ergo, my cynicism. Now I simply wish those pilots struggling with pay and retirement issues the best, and don't blame those on the firing line for the stances they've taken. Me? A couple more corporate flying years to pad my nest, and I'll never look back.

P-51D

Like I said, if the vote of no would have passed, mgt would have gone to the judge and gotten their way. In way, they did because it passed, but it probably would have been much, much worse. I wish the best to you guys and hope you get a big pay raise come 2011. (they owe you)

dckozak

You gotta love these ex-airline guys who go corperate than bad mouth the industry that sets the standard for thier current pay. So 2Dotslow, are you on call 24/7 like many corp guys?? Can you pick your days off with any certainty?? How does the pay and benefits compare to post BK airlines?? Probably at best comparable, untill the next time the boss reavaulates your package. Negoiate?? Here's the deal or there is the door, see yea.

But it is easy.....

SkyHigh

What I meant was that if the job provided an income that I could live on while working as a pilot it would be much more tolerable. The satisfaction and joy of the career is blinded by the pain of poverty.

As far as scabism is concerned my point was that there are a handful of pilots left who actually earn a good living balanced by a larger group of starving LCC and regional pilots. If there was a strike the ocean of pilots fighting to become scabs would be startling. I am not and most likely would have no reason to become a scab myself but I would find it difficult to find fault with the starving from the delusional.

Besides are you not a regional guy yourself and fly an RJ? How could you not call your self a scab of sorts? RJ's are taking routes that formerly were the territory of the 737. Why don't you demonstrate your solidarity and quit your job? I am sure that you must earn less than a legacy pilot.

Unbelievable,

SkyHigh

2dotslow

Yes. Yes. About 320/737 12 year captain standards at United, so comparable. When we stop making money, then they can reavaluate... The door? I'm not concerned in the least.