RockyBoy

Since they are flying jets owned by Delta and they are represented by DALPA and paying 1.95% dues to DALPA, I think they need to be stapled. Bring them on with a no bump clause so the Captains won't get bumped unless we furlough and we should all be much better off. This should be one of the top priorities of DALPA over the next year.

The big question is does DALPA even have this on their list of things to do or are they still focusing their efforst on their lost retirements while we watch thousands of mainline jobs go to DCI carriers?

Rotorhead

If they get stapled, the Compass Captains WILL go to whatever position their seniority can hold. If and when they flow up, the go to the bottom of the list, that makes them junior FO's at DAL
Trust me, some 6 or 10 year FO sitting on the DC-9 or 320 will take that left seat, especially when it's on mainline's certificate.

Seat lock for a flow-thru, are you drunk?

RockyBoy

No not a seatlock for a flow-thru. I'm talking about merging Compass into mainline which has nothing to do with a flow-thru. They won't get DOH or a ratio integration, so that leaves a staple integration. If we staple them to the bottom of the list, then I think the right thing to do would be to put a no bump clause for the Captains so they don't lose what they could have kept had they not been stapled. If we have a displacement bid, then they can get bumped. I'm a junior Delta guy who would love to have one of those Captain seats just as much as the next guy, but the right thing to do is to staple them and protect their seats since that is what they signed up for.

To get this done, we need the company to think it is a good idea that will save them some cash. By not putting a no flush clause in the deal, you would never get them to support it due to the training costs that it would generate and it is the right thing to do. Also a 6 year FO at Delta is making between $90-$100 per hour depending on the A/C. I doubt many of those guys would bid it and take a $25/hr paycut.

JungleBus

Honestly, the general sentiment at CPS is that if DALPA actually rallies around the idea of integrating us into the mainline list, we're pretty much all ok with a staple without fences/restrictions. We'd be no worse off than where we are right now. We realize that regional pilots demanding too much has been a huge stumbling block to earlier efforts to bring them back into the fold.

Bump me off of the E175 left seat to fly the 9 from the right for a few years? Fine by me...the point is to be accruing longevity/seniority *at mainline*.

ExAF

I doubt I'd flow to Compass. I can make more and be at home every night doing something else. It just doesn't make financial sense. It is a pretty crappy contract in my opinion.

mynameisjim

Why would they want an E-175 captain seat at $65/hr instead of their narrowbody FO seat at $85 plus? Do they need the PIC time?

JungleBus

<nominated for understatement of the year!>

Maddoggin

If cpz gets stapled I don't think there should be any restrictions. The cpz guy shouldn't be too upset about being displace to the right seat of the 88 or dc9 since thats where he was going to end up anyhow; just much sooner than expected. It's not that much money difference either. Now he's getting longevity and better workrules. Not to mention it would be a paycut for most FO's at DAL that have been here for 5 or 6 years to bid a CA slot. Either way I'm all for bringing cpz over. I think it's overall the right move for everyone involved and the industry as a whole.

shadyops

As a CPZ FO I would gladly take a staple, even a furlough if we to get mainline seniority. Lee Moak represents us, but has no regard for us which is unfortunate. It also seems Lee has no regard for junior folks at Delta. We share the same MEC and the same union, we need to work vigorously and simultaneously to make this happen.

Wheels up

This is what happens when the unions allow management gut their scope and create alter ego airlines. ALPA has been folding like a cheap suit to NW and DAL and is continuing to do so with the latest scope giveaway by DALPA.