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02-18-2009, 09:45 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by avi8tor4life
I fly a real regional jet. The CRJ 200. I don't want to fly it forever. I want a place to go someday. So those of you at mainline, vote these things in so I don't get stuck at the regionals for life.
Please stop giving up scope. I don't want to fly a plane with "express" or "connection" on the side for the rest of my career.
In the mean time, you guys fight for better pay/work rules and I'll do the same. Hopefully we all focus on making it better for the entire group.
02-18-2009, 10:27 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by avi8tor4life
I fly a real regional jet. The CRJ 200. I don't want to fly it forever. I want a place to go someday. So those of you at mainline, vote these things in so I don't get stuck at the regionals for life.
02-18-2009, 10:43 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by Rhino Driver
You got it buddy! You understand. We're coming and it's coming in force. The time is now to take action. Although I don't believe in a staple, it may be necessary (I say this with hesitation). I think the jets should come to mainline at the mainline rates established in the contract. I would prefer to give preferential hiring, but keep the same DAL standards intact. Everyone has to interview. If you pass the test, you keep the job and start as a first year FO. Simple as that. If not, you're out. Do not accept lowering the bar. Keep the standards high.
What is it about delta pilots that think this way? Is there really something special about being a delta pilot and the interview process? I just don't understand this thinking that if you can't pass a delta interview you are somehow a lesser pilot with a lower standard.
02-18-2009, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
So some of these pilots are qualified to fly under the delta banner but not qualified to be actual delta pilots. One day you can fly the airplane and the next day you're not. Maybe you guys should be doing all of the interviews just so that your affiliates aren't muddied with lower than standard delta pilots.
What is it about delta pilots that think this way? Is there really something special about being a delta pilot and the interview process? I just don't understand this thinking that if you can't pass a delta interview you are somehow a lesser pilot with a lower standard.
What is it about delta pilots that think this way? Is there really something special about being a delta pilot and the interview process? I just don't understand this thinking that if you can't pass a delta interview you are somehow a lesser pilot with a lower standard.
Majors have stringent hiring standards, some much more so than others. They look at the experience and quality of the PERSON they're hiring. They know you can fly a plane or else you wouldn't be there. The interview process is much more about the individual and whether or not you fit the mold the company is looking for.
You may have gotten your current job because you were willing to do it for nothing. That's what your company was looking for.
02-18-2009, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
What about that airplane makes it regional compared to the dc9-10 that was brought up earlier?
02-18-2009, 11:13 AM
#16
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Do all the Northwest pilots need to interview too? They may not be up to your delta standards either (ex navy).
Just because you decided to go to delta doesn't mean you are a superior pilot to any one else....even compass. Compass hiring was done to NWA standards because there was a plan for Compass pilots to eventually move into NWA mainline aircraft.
Just because you decided to go to delta doesn't mean you are a superior pilot to any one else....even compass. Compass hiring was done to NWA standards because there was a plan for Compass pilots to eventually move into NWA mainline aircraft.
02-18-2009, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by vonerotate
Do all the Northwest pilots need to interview too? They may not be up to your delta standards either (ex navy).
Just because you decided to go to delta doesn't mean you are a superior pilot to any one else....even compass. Compass hiring was done to NWA standards because there was a plan for Compass pilots to eventually move into NWA mainline aircraft.
Just because you decided to go to delta doesn't mean you are a superior pilot to any one else....even compass. Compass hiring was done to NWA standards because there was a plan for Compass pilots to eventually move into NWA mainline aircraft.
Having said that, if the CPZ guys were in fact interviewed by NWA and met the NWA standards, then I think that changes things. Any FNWA or CPZ guys want to clear this up?
Even so, they should come aboard as a first year FO. No fences or clauses. That's how they would've flowed up to NWA.
02-18-2009, 11:27 AM
#18
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Yes, CPZ pilots' initial interviews were their NWA interview.
Personally, I don't care if they start as first year FOs or keep their longevity in a staple.... get them on board. We've gotta get this ball rolling and now!
Personally, I don't care if they start as first year FOs or keep their longevity in a staple.... get them on board. We've gotta get this ball rolling and now!
02-18-2009, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Yes, CPZ pilots' initial interviews were their NWA interview.
Personally, I don't care if they start as first year FOs or keep their longevity in a staple.... get them on board. We've gotta get this ball rolling and now!
Personally, I don't care if they start as first year FOs or keep their longevity in a staple.... get them on board. We've gotta get this ball rolling and now!
02-18-2009, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by vonerotate
Compass hiring was done to NWA standards because there was a plan for Compass pilots to eventually move into NWA mainline aircraft.
NWA ALPA set the minimums as part of the BK contract that allowed CPZ formation. Not the same as NWA hiring standards. The thought at the time was by the time they flowed up they would have normal competitive window experience.
Most of the initial cadre of street *Captains* were very highly experienced airline vets that were victims of wrong airline at the wrong time, or seasoned RJ Captains, and would have met the standards for any airline in the world.
OTOH, the minimums for F/O was 1500 TT hrs, 1000 ME, which while being far above what most feeders require, would not even get you an application at NWA unless you were demographically challenged or ex-Mil. Not sure what the first batch of F/O's was like, but later on they were having trouble getting applicant's with even 1500 hrs and got caught cheating on that standard.
Hardly NWA or DAL *standards*.
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