If you mean by putting language in that specifically stops what's happened at Midex, built payscales for aircraft that never existed at the time, dropped junior manning while at the same time stopping a whipsaw by uniting all the certificates under one payscale then yes I'm sure with that solid foundation they'll have room to grow.
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I do know the strike process exactly where in it are they?



Our pilot group is a regional pilot group. Unless you want to call every regional enablers then sure I guess we are. But if you're going to call us all enablers then why not just stick with the word regional since it's all encompassing anyway.



BINGO! You my friend have said the magical words. Go through this thread an see how many people have said that RAH pilots should simply refuse to fly. It was directed at 320toBears and the many others who seem to think the RAH pilots have a choice and should simply say "no" to the flying. I'm not ignorant to the process at all. It was a means to make a point.


There's no wars here. I'm not hinting at that. I just don't see the point in someone acting so big and bad and "I think your SCUM" then show up in person and "may I have a ride pretty please I've always liked you guys". Give me a break with the drama queens. If you can't man up to your statements then what's the point of making them. I might have not always been agreed with but I haven't degraded any pilot group of any airline from Freedom up to UPS. I've spoken ill of some of their managements, J.O., but never about the pilots because I can sit here and understand that they are obligated to follow their contract and their management is who makes the business decisions. Far too many here don't see it that way. If those here really hate RAH so much then man up to the statements. It's not a jumpseat war it's seeing who's full of it and willing to stand by their words.

 

And BHO wrote Timmay...a waste of postage apparently.



I think 4Q07 (or was it 3Q?) was when they assessed the expenses for the Skywest start-up. Actually, they said Skyway operated at a huge loss because it bought all of the ground support equipment (getting ready for the new mission of Skyway). I think this grand scheme was budgeted to cost $15M. In classic TH style, he was way off his mark.

 

You need to get some facts correct. Chautauqua never had junior manning so it was never dropped from the contract. There was only one certificate at the time, Chautauqua, with a threat of starting Republic. The 170s were put on the Chautauqua certificate until APA forced them to start Republic or pay fines. Shuttle America wasn't even in the picture. Pay was definately given up for scope along with numerous other items such as language and scheduling rules. I always thought it wasn't a good idea to put payscales for an aircraft that wasn't even "ordered". There were definate improvements over the previous contract, especially post 9-11, but it was by no means a bar to shoot for.

 

The only time I take one for the team is when....oh wait, I'm the captain, I dont have to take the fat one anymore. SWEEEEEEEEEEEEET!

I will do my best to not let that happen Doug. Thanks for the big guy compliment

 

......yet I still make more than you, whats the matter Duck, you upset your not popular with the majority of the APC crowd , do you have many friends outside of aviation?

 

We don't have the equipment or staff to do that and I can tell you that the flight crews do not have the desire.

 

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With over 9000 posts between you two, how do you find the time to fly airplanes? Do you guys whine this much in the cockpit? That's gotta be fun!

 

muwhahaha, seriously, its sad how many posts I have............I think we should have a APC Celebrity death match, ToiletDuck vs SAAB...............

Id put your money on me, I am one angry little Italian guy from NJ.................need I say more?

 

Alex, what are the 6 things that whine on a jet?

(2 engines, 1 apu, 2 pilots, 1 fa)

 

1) I never said junior manning was ever dropped from the contract.
2) When Chautauqua had the 170's the Shuttle certficate was bought and going to be used for whipsaw. Republic didn't come till after Shuttle.
3) If you don't have some sort of protection against future aircraft you can find yourself in the same situation Midex is currently in. The company introduces one and forces it down your throat.
4) There was a battle to get everything on one seniority list after the purchase of Shuttle.