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reddog25 04-16-2009 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 596498)
There it is fellas... the carrot for the stick. When/IF we ever get to Section 6, this will about be the time frame. Management's tactic will be predictable. "Well guys, if you want these shiny new jets, what will you be willing to give up in order to get 'em?" You heard it here first.... :mad:


I hear ya. Never give up anything for a management promise of new jets. I'll fly DC-3s if it pays DC-9 rates. Don't need shiney new jets...just need a shiney new paycheck. If management wants the new jets, they can buy them with their money, not mine:cool:

reddog25 04-16-2009 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 596361)
FWIW;
There will probably be 777-300's here before the end of 2010 to start replacing or augmenting the 744 lift.

And that my friend is why both sides are maintaining assessments for dispute resolution. Are the 777s replacements for 744 (they would go to FNWA pilots) or augments (they would go to FDAL pilots).

At NWA/REP we had the same challenge to the A-320. Were they replacements for the B-727s (ratio'd between NWA and REP pilots) or new (1:1) Ended up that they were new and not replacements. Seen any B-727s lately:)

At any rate wording on the parking of protected seats and the replacement aircraft will be very important.......stay tuned for more fun and games

reddog25 04-16-2009 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by wiggy (Post 595517)
..."Then, in a frenzy of egalitarian compassion, all of the 1985 DL hires were placed in equal seniority with the NW 1979 hires....resulting in a spontaneous, joyful rendition by the 12,000 unified members of the Delta Tabernacle Choir of the 'Hallelujah Chorus' from Handel's 'Messiah'"....

That's funny...in my case as a NW 87 hire I get to pick lint off the shoulders of a DAL 90 hire:D

Hawaii50 04-16-2009 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 596407)
SWA may just greenmail Delta. ALK isn't exactly cheap.

I really can't figure out why these guys can't figure out how to run North-South on the West Coast. The one real growth opportunity area in this merger gets given to Alaska while we get the incredible shrinking airline.

acl65pilot 04-16-2009 11:15 AM

I belive that they are already prepping the lawsuits for these aircraft.

johnso29 04-16-2009 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 596624)
I belive that they are already prepping the lawsuits for these aircraft.

Explain please. :confused:

Bucking Bar 04-16-2009 01:22 PM

He means if the 747 goes away and a 777-300 conspicuously shows up on the ramp with Delta South pilots being protected on that equipment.

They are waiting until after SOC so "one side does not have to absorb all the displacements" as they say.

I think there is a good chance all this will happen without litigation, but they are getting prepared just in case.

Bucking Bar 04-16-2009 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 596605)
I really can't figure out why these guys can't figure out how to run North-South on the West Coast. The one real growth opportunity area in this merger gets given to Alaska while we get the incredible shrinking airline.

Just think of Alaska as a Delta Connection Carrier - it makes the situation come into focus a little clearer.

I like what I know about their new contract. Good for them! It will be interesting to see what their improved merger and fragmentation language means.

At least I like what they bring to the table of we do merge with them.

dtfl 04-16-2009 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 596201)
With that said, you have to understand that DAL/NWA is committed now to getting SOC as FAST as possible. It HAS to happen to stem the bleeding. The first AE after that will be chaos, and there are going to be LOTS of displacements. Unless you are uber senior in category, you are at risk.



Nu

There will be displacements if/when they pull down the Intl categories...but there won't be as much base movement as everyone is worried about until AEs with openings come out. I don't think it will be as bad all at once. Take a look at basing 2 years after SOC and I believe it will look very different than it does now

FedElta 04-16-2009 03:24 PM

Acl
 
Back in 1993 my former employer was looking at a big order of 767's....along comes Airbus with an incredibly sweet deal with ultra low financing on A300-600's.

The bait and switch worked, but around a year later reality hit when the price and availability became apparent. Airbus took us to the woodshed, proving once again that the devil really is in the details.

Regards......


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