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Bucking Bar 04-17-2009 04:29 AM

How difficult is commuting to DTW? Anyone do the ATL-DTW leg currently?

iaflyer 04-17-2009 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 596817)
Also they are looking to put:
maybe a 7ER base in DTW or MSP

Point is that as we surplus bid certain areas it allows all of those pilots to go where they want. Word is two years of AE's to get this sucker the way they want it.

Wouldn't the fNWA 757 base in DTW or MSP be called a 7ER base after SOC anyway? As I understand it, those 757 pilots already fly some over-water legs (DTW-AMS, DTW-FRA, SEA/LAX/SFO-HNL and in Asia) so they are internationally qualified.

NWA320pilot 04-17-2009 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 596892)
How difficult is commuting to DTW? Anyone do the ATL-DTW leg currently?

BB,

This is why I wish we had FNWA commuter policy. Commuting to work is just not a problem with it....... Have a backup flight in NWA/DAL and they will put you on with a positive space seat, no question and no missed $$. Hopefully we can get the policy back as it is great for all of us.

Bucking Bar 04-17-2009 05:23 AM

Agreed.... every time I had the opportunity to talk, or write, my Rep during the JPWA I asked for PS commuting (pie in the sky), or at least the call in honest policy of FNWA. When I saw that we lost that policy, as well as failed to fix section 1, my vote was cast against.

You are correct, even we die hard non commuters need to push for a workable program given the amount of movement anticipated.

The number of line checks is set to increase to ensure compliance with upcoming ops changes. With the current system a guy could reserve a JS, then still get bumped by a LCA on short notice, and the next few flights between hub cities be on offline RJ's.

iceman49 04-17-2009 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 596830)
That A330... does it give an aural count down in inches when it comes into land? I keep seeing guys softly touch the back two tires on the truck and then the truck slowly drifts down. Is it like, 3 inches, 2.5 inches, 2 inches, 1.8 inches, 1.6 inches... kind of fun to watch. It'd be one thing if it were just one landing, but I've seen several come in back to back in DTW and do it all the same. So whats that old saying, if a plane makes a bad landing the pilot sucks and if it makes a great landing then that plane is awesome.

You get 3 separate landings on the 330, aft/main trucks and nose...no wing low or it really gets ugly and remember its not bank angle, but rather roll rate...if the pilot compensates for the gust, you get into a PIO. :)

iceman49 04-17-2009 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 596912)
Agreed.... every time I had the opportunity to talk, or write, my Rep during the JPWA I asked for PS commuting (pie in the sky), or at least the call in honest policy of FNWA. When I saw that we lost that policy, as well as failed to fix section 1, my vote was cast against.

You are correct, even we die hard non commuters need to push for a workable program given the amount of movement anticipated.

The number of line checks is set to increase to ensure compliance with upcoming ops changes. With the current system a guy could reserve a JS, then still get bumped by a LCA on short notice, and the next few flights between hub cities be on offline RJ's.


With the FNWA jump seat policy (no preference whether you are going to work or not...10 1/2 days in advance, use of computer booking and instructors going to work on positive space) I think DTW only had 6 call in honest must rides for all of last year. Its works.

Wasatch Phantom 04-17-2009 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 596720)
The 330/320/319 has worked very well for NWA...good reliability, lift and fuel burn....

DAL acquired (IIRC) 14 Airbus A-310-300's and 7 A-310-200's when they purchased some of Pan Am's operation in 1991. After that DAL leased several (I don't remember how many) new A-310's from Airbus under very good terms. (They also traded the -200's to FedEx for 727 hush-kits.)

When Delta decided to return those aircraft Airbus sued Delta. As I recall, as parts on those aircraft needed replacement, Delta used parts that they had on hand (which they had acquired from Pan Am). Those parts were manufactured before the leased A-310's and Airbus refused to accept the return of those aircraft with older parts.

Those airframes sat outside the jetbase in ATL for many months.

While I'm sure that left a very sour impression in DAL managements mind, and I doubt that team would buy an Airbus product, that management team is now gone.

NWA320pilot 04-17-2009 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 596918)
With the FNWA jump seat policy (no preference whether you are going to work or not...10 1/2 days in advance, use of computer booking and instructors going to work on positive space) I think DTW only had 6 call in honest must rides for all of last year. Its works.

I am betting more than 6 call in honests for last year..... Heck I used it 3 times and I am not trying to commute between popular city pairs.

On another note with this policy you don't need to worry about JS except for going home. This affords more non-revs to used it which in turns again helps out the entire pilot group!

NuGuy 04-17-2009 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 596892)
How difficult is commuting to DTW? Anyone do the ATL-DTW leg currently?

Heyas Buck,

ATL-DTW is a tough one because of a relatively high number of ex-Republic guys. It has been made extra tough lately in the short term because ATL-DTW and ATL-MSP is now almost exclusively DAL metal.

DFW, SEA, LAX, PHX, FLL/MIA/PBI, TPA, MCO are all fairly challenging, plus all those mid-sized places that have gone all RJ in the last few years (AUS, PNS, etc).

Nu

forgot to bid 04-17-2009 08:10 AM

Ex-Republic guys in ATL? How many? I heard 340, then 70. I've heard a lot are 330 drivers. Do you know Nu?


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