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buzzpat 04-16-2009 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by dtfl (Post 596679)
There will be displacements if/when they pull down the Intl categories...but there won't be as much base movement as everyone is worried about until AEs with openings come out. I don't think it will be as bad all at once. Take a look at basing 2 years after SOC and I believe it will look very different than it does now

I agree. Besides, and correct me if I'm wrong, but there can't be a whole lot of movement between bases and equipment after SOC unless there are openings. AEs, of course, are one thing; mass movement without them is another. I remain "cautiously optimistic" as I continue to look at this merger from a strategic perspective.

Free Bird 04-16-2009 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 596708)
Besides, and correct me if I'm wrong, but there can't be a whole lot of movement between bases and equipment after SOC unless there are openings

88 MSP category = openings
88 DTW category = openings
DC9 ATL category = openings
A320 ATL category = openings

you get the picture. I think after SOC and the displacements we're going to see lots of metal moved around which will lead to AE's for the new categories. I think we're going to see movement that would rival that of a 70 year old FA with a case of Fiber One bars.

Hope Im wrong.

iceman49 04-16-2009 04:11 PM

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buzzpat 04-16-2009 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 596712)
88 MSP category = openings
88 DTW category = openings
DC9 ATL category = openings
A320 ATL category = openings

you get the picture. I think after SOC and the displacements we're going to see lots of metal moved around which will lead to AE's for the new categories. I think we're going to see movement that would rival that of a 70 year old FA with a case of Fiber One bars.

Hope Im wrong.

True 'nuff. But I bet we also see a large percentage of guys staying in their domicile and swapping equipment, ie, ATL 88 for ATL 320 or 9; MSP 9 for MSP 88, etc. QOL, all other things being remotely equal, always wins out. I don't think a lot of guys are going to commute for the same or similar pay scale. I think we'll see a mass exodus from DTW but there's going to be a lot of DAL guys that want to escape from NYC. That will be the biggest movement. I don't see MSP guys commuting to LAX, or ATL guys falling over themselves to get to SEA. Could be wrong, but that just sounds stupid to me.

iceman49 04-16-2009 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by FedElta (Post 596700)
Back in 1993 my former employer was looking at a big order of 767's....along comes Airbus with an incredibly sweet deal with ultra low financing on A300-600's.

The bait and switch worked, but around a year later reality hit when the price and availability became apparent. Airbus took us to the woodshed, proving once again that the devil really is in the details.

Regards......

The 330/320/319 has worked very well for NWA...good reliability, lift and fuel burn....

acl65pilot 04-16-2009 08:15 PM

Also they are looking to put:
765 in JFK
7ER in SEA
330 in ATL
320 in SLC and CVG
maybe a 7ER base in DTW or MSP
some jets in LAX
Possible pull down of 767 cat in other bases.

Point is that as we surplus bid certain areas it allows all of those pilots to go where they want. Word is two years of AE's to get this sucker the way they want it.

forgot to bid 04-16-2009 09:14 PM

That A330... does it give an aural count down in inches when it comes into land? I keep seeing guys softly touch the back two tires on the truck and then the truck slowly drifts down. Is it like, 3 inches, 2.5 inches, 2 inches, 1.8 inches, 1.6 inches... kind of fun to watch. It'd be one thing if it were just one landing, but I've seen several come in back to back in DTW and do it all the same. So whats that old saying, if a plane makes a bad landing the pilot sucks and if it makes a great landing then that plane is awesome.

Jack Bauer 04-16-2009 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 596718)
True 'nuff. But I bet we also see a large percentage of guys staying in their domicile and swapping equipment, ie, ATL 88 for ATL 320 or 9; MSP 9 for MSP 88, etc. QOL, all other things being remotely equal, always wins out. I don't think a lot of guys are going to commute for the same or similar pay scale. I think we'll see a mass exodus from DTW but there's going to be a lot of DAL guys that want to escape from NYC. That will be the biggest movement. I don't see MSP guys commuting to LAX, or ATL guys falling over themselves to get to SEA. Could be wrong, but that just sounds stupid to me.

One problem with this Buzz is that from what I have heard a majority of Northwest guys/gals are commuters already. That being the case they will follow shorter commutes to closer bases, bigger airplanes/paychecks.

Bucking Bar 04-17-2009 04:08 AM

There will be many junior Delta pilots displaced and commuting out of their hubs.

That A330... does it give an aural count down in inches when it comes into land?
Wouldn't that be in millimeters?

NWA320pilot 04-17-2009 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 596863)
One problem with this Buzz is that from what I have heard a majority of Northwest guys/gals are commuters already. That being the case they will follow shorter commutes to closer bases, bigger airplanes/paychecks.

I wouldn't say the majority of FNWA pilots are commuters, but rather a large percentage of DTW pilots commute. MSP, MEM, and SEA bases are mostly non-commuters....... So will guys chase planes? Some will others will bid in their base. I think DTW is a lot like NYC, guys are there but would rather be somewhere else it's just that a specific base works best for commuting.


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