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Originally Posted by Florida Flyer (Post 626732)

Maybe I just have a different take on the situation, but personally, I'd rather be gainefully employed at my stagnant regional and be able to pay my bills, rather than be furloughed on some mainline seniority list clipping coupons and collecting unemployment, wondering if the repo man is going to show up in the middle of the night. Anyone who has a job in aviation at this time (Regional or Major) is extremely fortunate, and no matter where you may be (Regional or Major), you have it better than someone on the street. This is my point. Good luck to all on furlough everywhere, and I hope this economy turns around soon and we can all be back in the sky soon.

how can you say that when regional FO pay is as low as it is? I can go get a regular job while on furlough and make as much if not more than i did as a regional fo and wait for my recall. Heck i can sit on unemployment at home with my kids for a year and do better than i would as a regional FO at some carriers. Regional FO pay sucks, and i can say that because i've been there, done that.

BTW, thats not a put down thats just my perspective. ;)

I agree with that. You can make more at Wal-Mart or working for TSA!

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 626748)

I agree with that. You can make more at Wal-Mart or working for TSA!

I dunno 'bout that, living in base and a good contract I made $50,000.00 my 2nd year at Express, goes to show you what a good contract can do, but your right regional FO pay still is sad

So when is CVG going to close? You've got ATL to the south and now DTW to the north...

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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 626753)

I dunno 'bout that, living in base and a good contract I made $50,000.00 my 2nd year at Express, goes to show you what a good contract can do, but your right regional FO pay still is sad

Did you get a line right off the bat?
If so that is why. Most people cannot do that due to the reserve obligation. In good times yes, but in bad times No way.
Add to that not many regionals are hiring.

there are a few good corporate jobs out there if you know where to look.
Plus, if oil goes back up those Oil companies are going to be hiring pilots again!

From the 'Letter to Employees', this announces some specific routes being cut.

Two thoughts.....
1) CVG is toast
2) How do I change my username to Deldah F/O

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We are all seeing negative impacts from the global recession and rising oil prices not only in the news, but also in our communities and personal finances. Clearly, the airline industry is not immune. Industry passenger revenues have declined nearly 20 percent in the first four months of the year compared to the same period in 2008. That trend is expected to continue in the near term. On top of this, cost pressures from rising jet fuel prices - up more than 20 percent since the start of the year - coupled with softer travel demand due to the spread of the H1N1 virus, have created a difficult business environment.
These forces that are affecting the industry are creating significant headwinds for Delta. Declining revenues will overtake the more than $6 billion in total benefits we expected this year from lower year-over-year fuel prices, merger synergies and capacity reductions.
This morning, at an investor conference in New York, we will announce additional steps to align our capacity with market demand, preserve liquidity, and ensure Delta's long-term success. This plan includes reducing our system capacity by 10 percent compared to 2008. Capacity reductions will begin in September. In this environment, our merger makes more sense than ever and we will continue to accelerate our integration, as it gives us a competitive advantage and strengthens our financial foundation. We also will maintain tight controls on our costs and capital spending.
Customer demand for international travel has fallen significantly. Accordingly, we plan to reduce our international capacity by an additional 5 percent from what we announced in March, for a 15 percent total reduction in international capacity. This fall's capacity reductions will target routes that have experienced losses in the current economic climate and with higher fuel prices, including:

Suspending nonstop service from Atlanta to Seoul and Shanghai and instead routing customers for these flights over Detroit or Tokyo, or on nonstop SkyTeam partner flights.
Suspending nonstop flights from Cincinnati to Frankfurt and London-Gatwick. Cincinnati customers will still be able to reach these and many other international destinations via our other European gateways.
Suspending nonstop service between New York-JFK and Edinburgh.
Reducing weekly frequencies connecting Atlanta and Detroit to Mexico City and postponing some previously planned seasonal service between non-hub cities and Mexican beach destinations due to the impact of the H1N1 virus on customers' travel plans.

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Originally Posted by Florida Flyer (Post 626732)

There are jobs out there that pay far more then 1st year FO regional pay. I could slash my budget by 50%, and still not live on min guarantee from any regional's first year pay. And one has to make the jump to a Legacy sometime. If you're feeling cozy in your FO spot at a regional wait to you get to CA and start making more money. The longer you wait to make the jump, the harder it will get for you to leave. With your mentality you will never leave, because this industry is constantly facing threats.

If DAL drops the F-Bomb and I hit the street, I'll find a way to support my family. It will most likely be OUTSIDE of aviation because I don't want to work at the bottom of a regional list, and I will also view it as an opportunity to take a break from flying and spend more time with my family. I have ZERO regrets about leaving my regional and coming to
DAL-N, and I think it will pay off very shortly. JMHO.

Good Luck to you. :cool:

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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 626753)

I dunno 'bout that, living in base and a good contract I made $50,000.00 my 2nd year at Express, goes to show you what a good contract can do, but your right regional FO pay still is sad

With second year XJT pay before concessions you would have needed to credit 122 hours per month for 12 months to achieve $50K. That is a lot of work. :eek: Even with a decent contract.

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Originally Posted by contrails (Post 626805)

With second year XJT pay before concessions you would have needed to credit 122 hours per month for 12 months to achieve $50K. That is a lot of work. :eek: Even with a decent contract.

I'm sure he counted per diem. The regional pilots tend to count it because their real income is so little.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 626778)

I really admire your attitude. I'm a regional FO and would certainly leave this place in a heart beat for a better major like Delta. Even if forlough was inevitable. Granted I don't have a family to support so this is all just one man's thoughts. Everyones situation is different. I'd use the time away from flying to bartend or something and "chase muff around the pool". As soon as the market goes up and 401k's are worth jack/age 65 plays you'll be back in action better then ever. On that note, best of luck to all the folks that can't afford the break.