Correct. The point was being made that it would somehow be a bigger mess if 7ER guys were being furloughed verses any other junior F/O. My point is it doesn't matter what they are flying. They'll be gone and someone will need to be retrained whether it is a 7ER or a 73N or a MD88.

It actually makes it easier to furlough a junior person off of the ER because if they were senior you'd have to retrain them on another piece of equipment. I'm not saying any of the 7ER guys are in any more danger than anyone else, I'm just pointing out that the reasoning was flawed.

The only issue is that there aren't 300 or so junior guys on the ER. Maybe a few dozen. The vast majority of the furlough targets are already on the -88, so displacements and training will still be required.

Nevermind...you guys seem to be missing that I was responding to the below post. We are saying the same thing. Displacements and training are completely unavoidable...that is pretty obvious. I'm just pointing out a few junior guys on the ER will not change the company's plans which is contrary to Freebird's post.

The ER in NYC has 08 hires from the Feb class. I think the line is just at the top of the Feb class. It could be mid way through the Jan class. The rest have moved down to the 73 or the 88.

For now, anyway. Time will tell.

Oh I know. I fully expect to be displaced off the ER soon. Stuff happens. In this environment I'll be happy to still be employed. I hope I hang on long enough to fly with you, though. That should be a lively cockpit, both of us singing our football songs. Maybe we can fly to Madrid and see the new Galacticos!

I don't think he even flies for Mother DAL. I think he is former TWA, & suffered through that terrible ordeal. I understand why he has such pessimistic views.

Anyone know the exact training footprint for the pilots being displaced to the 88 if they've already flown it?

Getting 300 hours of 88 time, spending two years on a 767ER, then passing a 88 check ride with no training is not going to be a lot of fun. Do they at least give you some CBT and procedures trainer time?

First Officer XXX it is common knowledge that those CBT trainers are available to you, the Delta Pilot, 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. All you need is you ID to get in to the building. ;)

Before you reply with "you have the , DAL Airway Manual Operations Specifications, Volumes 1, Volume 2, Flight Crew Training Manual, Flight Operations Manuals, Operations Bulletins, Electronic Bulletins, Cut and Paste's, Green Pages, Line Check Airmen's publications, Checklists, Quick Reference Guides, Flight Operations Bulletins and the Fleet Captain's Phone Number to get prepared on your own time while completing training on the airplane you are currently training on", let me comment that the 88 CPT Trainers are locked, I would not know what to do with one if it was sitting in front yard tied to a car battery and I was hoping for something more structured than throwing darts at sagging flight control surfaces, maybe at least as much structure as the wait line at Spondivits.

Also, before you say it, I do have a good attitude :) and don't fear the Douglas for being a POS assembled by Long Beach residents without any engineering, or planning, who's idea of "fit and finish" was "ah heck, lets just finish."

ACL65, See you there ;)