Binding still means binding in the USA
06-26-2009, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by IronWalt
"east captains are losing about $60 k a year just off the last company proposal from 2007."
East narrow body captains are making 125.00 an hour now. You are saying that the Company proposal was for 185.00 per hour??? Where was that proposal when I was reading??? Do you have a copy??
East narrow body captains are making 125.00 an hour now. You are saying that the Company proposal was for 185.00 per hour??? Where was that proposal when I was reading??? Do you have a copy??
06-26-2009, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
even though the west is 44% of the group, the cbl's require a 50% plus one vote for any officer, if someone doesn't get that the there is a run off, this was designed so that it would be impossible for a west guy to ever win office,
06-26-2009, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
I I'll give you an example even though the west is 44% of the group, the cbl's require a 50% plus one vote for any officer, if someone doesn't get that the there is a run off, this was designed so that it would be impossible for a west guy to ever win office, also the their leadership board is designed so that the west could never have enough seats to do anything ex. east 2400 pilots 11 seats, west 1600 pilots 2 to 3 seats.(even though phx is largest domicile by two to one).
75. On or about April 22, 2008, defendant McIlvenna, using electronic communication, threatened the safety of a US Airways (West)pilot by stating that “I hope the pilot group does not know about your plan to pay USAPA dues and join as a member, else I fear for your safety.” Defendant McIlvenna is a member of the Board of Directors of AWAPPA.
76. The defendants and their co-conspirators have harassed and intimidated a pilot who was interested in becoming a USAPA representative by posting his telephone
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number on the AWAPPA website and suggesting that a “couple HUNDRED strongly worded [telephone] messages” may deter his participation with his union. The pilot has determined not to become a USAPA representative, thereby depriving Phoenix-based US Airways pilots of representation within USAPA’s political structure.
77. The pilot referenced in paragraph 76 was forced to seek the assistance of US Airways in dealing with multiple threats he received by both telephone and e-mail in response to his interest in becoming a USAPA representative. One such electronic communication sent on or about May 12, 2008, inquired as to when a “blanket party” would be held for this pilot. Upon information and belief, a “blanket party” refers to a method of assault in which attackers restrain and blind their victim by throwing a blanket over the victim’s head, and then strike the victim repeatedly. The same pilot has been subjected to the threat of a concerted effort by multiple pilots to put him on a “no fly” list in order to severely limit or eliminate his work opportunities.
06-26-2009, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Binding or not, the award was and is not fair. If it was, you would not be in the current situation. It will probably stick, but the damage has already been done.
06-27-2009, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by all4114all
You were not complaining about lack of reps last year, on the contrary, you threatened your own pilots that wanted to participate in USAPA representation. Please read below;
75. On or about April 22, 2008, defendant McIlvenna, using electronic communication, threatened the safety of a US Airways (West)pilot by stating that “I hope the pilot group does not know about your plan to pay USAPA dues and join as a member, else I fear for your safety.” Defendant McIlvenna is a member of the Board of Directors of AWAPPA.
76. The defendants and their co-conspirators have harassed and intimidated a pilot who was interested in becoming a USAPA representative by posting his telephone
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number on the AWAPPA website and suggesting that a “couple HUNDRED strongly worded [telephone] messages” may deter his participation with his union. The pilot has determined not to become a USAPA representative, thereby depriving Phoenix-based US Airways pilots of representation within USAPA’s political structure.
77. The pilot referenced in paragraph 76 was forced to seek the assistance of US Airways in dealing with multiple threats he received by both telephone and e-mail in response to his interest in becoming a USAPA representative. One such electronic communication sent on or about May 12, 2008, inquired as to when a “blanket party” would be held for this pilot. Upon information and belief, a “blanket party” refers to a method of assault in which attackers restrain and blind their victim by throwing a blanket over the victim’s head, and then strike the victim repeatedly. The same pilot has been subjected to the threat of a concerted effort by multiple pilots to put him on a “no fly” list in order to severely limit or eliminate his work opportunities.
75. On or about April 22, 2008, defendant McIlvenna, using electronic communication, threatened the safety of a US Airways (West)pilot by stating that “I hope the pilot group does not know about your plan to pay USAPA dues and join as a member, else I fear for your safety.” Defendant McIlvenna is a member of the Board of Directors of AWAPPA.
76. The defendants and their co-conspirators have harassed and intimidated a pilot who was interested in becoming a USAPA representative by posting his telephone
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number on the AWAPPA website and suggesting that a “couple HUNDRED strongly worded [telephone] messages” may deter his participation with his union. The pilot has determined not to become a USAPA representative, thereby depriving Phoenix-based US Airways pilots of representation within USAPA’s political structure.
77. The pilot referenced in paragraph 76 was forced to seek the assistance of US Airways in dealing with multiple threats he received by both telephone and e-mail in response to his interest in becoming a USAPA representative. One such electronic communication sent on or about May 12, 2008, inquired as to when a “blanket party” would be held for this pilot. Upon information and belief, a “blanket party” refers to a method of assault in which attackers restrain and blind their victim by throwing a blanket over the victim’s head, and then strike the victim repeatedly. The same pilot has been subjected to the threat of a concerted effort by multiple pilots to put him on a “no fly” list in order to severely limit or eliminate his work opportunities.
Fred
06-27-2009, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by all4114all
You were not complaining about lack of reps last year, on the contrary, you threatened your own pilots that wanted to participate in USAPA representation. Please read below;
75. On or about April 22, 2008, defendant McIlvenna, using electronic communication, threatened the safety of a US Airways (West)pilot by stating that “I hope the pilot group does not know about your plan to pay USAPA dues and join as a member, else I fear for your safety.” Defendant McIlvenna is a member of the Board of Directors of AWAPPA.
76. The defendants and their co-conspirators have harassed and intimidated a pilot who was interested in becoming a USAPA representative by posting his telephone
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number on the AWAPPA website and suggesting that a “couple HUNDRED strongly worded [telephone] messages” may deter his participation with his union. The pilot has determined not to become a USAPA representative, thereby depriving Phoenix-based US Airways pilots of representation within USAPA’s political structure.
77. The pilot referenced in paragraph 76 was forced to seek the assistance of US Airways in dealing with multiple threats he received by both telephone and e-mail in response to his interest in becoming a USAPA representative. One such electronic communication sent on or about May 12, 2008, inquired as to when a “blanket party” would be held for this pilot. Upon information and belief, a “blanket party” refers to a method of assault in which attackers restrain and blind their victim by throwing a blanket over the victim’s head, and then strike the victim repeatedly. The same pilot has been subjected to the threat of a concerted effort by multiple pilots to put him on a “no fly” list in order to severely limit or eliminate his work opportunities.
75. On or about April 22, 2008, defendant McIlvenna, using electronic communication, threatened the safety of a US Airways (West)pilot by stating that “I hope the pilot group does not know about your plan to pay USAPA dues and join as a member, else I fear for your safety.” Defendant McIlvenna is a member of the Board of Directors of AWAPPA.
76. The defendants and their co-conspirators have harassed and intimidated a pilot who was interested in becoming a USAPA representative by posting his telephone
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number on the AWAPPA website and suggesting that a “couple HUNDRED strongly worded [telephone] messages” may deter his participation with his union. The pilot has determined not to become a USAPA representative, thereby depriving Phoenix-based US Airways pilots of representation within USAPA’s political structure.
77. The pilot referenced in paragraph 76 was forced to seek the assistance of US Airways in dealing with multiple threats he received by both telephone and e-mail in response to his interest in becoming a USAPA representative. One such electronic communication sent on or about May 12, 2008, inquired as to when a “blanket party” would be held for this pilot. Upon information and belief, a “blanket party” refers to a method of assault in which attackers restrain and blind their victim by throwing a blanket over the victim’s head, and then strike the victim repeatedly. The same pilot has been subjected to the threat of a concerted effort by multiple pilots to put him on a “no fly” list in order to severely limit or eliminate his work opportunities.
Good luck AAA, what a mess.
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06-28-2009, 03:28 AM
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Dirty tricks ?
This appaears more of a criminal matter.
If any of these thugs had posted my telephone number publicly or encouraged others to commit a criminal physical assault, I'd be contacting police and attorneys.
As it is, I think those advocating assult have no business with airport security clearance.
Has anyone notified the FAA and/or TSA regarding these thugs ?
It once again shows that Parkers best bet is to liquidate the East side to purge these people out of the industry and AWAY from jeopardizing this company. Clearly this group has a criminal element within.
This appaears more of a criminal matter.
If any of these thugs had posted my telephone number publicly or encouraged others to commit a criminal physical assault, I'd be contacting police and attorneys.
As it is, I think those advocating assult have no business with airport security clearance.
Has anyone notified the FAA and/or TSA regarding these thugs ?
It once again shows that Parkers best bet is to liquidate the East side to purge these people out of the industry and AWAY from jeopardizing this company. Clearly this group has a criminal element within.
06-28-2009, 04:27 AM
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It's hard to take these reports of threats and physical violence seriously. We are reading about them on the internet, after all. Don't you think that the police would be involved if they were true? Once a police report is initiated, those charges don't go away; they're investigated, and if evidence of guilt is found, that person is charged with a crime.
I can't help but believe that the average USAirways pilot has a much more rational demeanor than some of the hotheads that have been posting. It would be interesting to see a contract with some moderate improvements (and the Nicolau list) put up for a vote.
I can't help but believe that the average USAirways pilot has a much more rational demeanor than some of the hotheads that have been posting. It would be interesting to see a contract with some moderate improvements (and the Nicolau list) put up for a vote.
06-28-2009, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
It's hard to take these reports of threats and physical violence seriously. We are reading about them on the internet, after all. Don't you think that the police would be involved if they were true? Once a police report is initiated, those charges don't go away; they're investigated, and if evidence of guilt is found, that person is charged with a crime.
I can't help but believe that the average USAirways pilot has a much more rational demeanor than some of the hotheads that have been posting. It would be interesting to see a contract with some moderate improvements (and the Nicolau list) put up for a vote.
I can't help but believe that the average USAirways pilot has a much more rational demeanor than some of the hotheads that have been posting. It would be interesting to see a contract with some moderate improvements (and the Nicolau list) put up for a vote.
These are the type of people this profession DOES NOT NEED and belittles it even further. If anything, making a criminal issue out of it would become a public issue and make these thugs look exactly like what they really are.
I'm waiting for one of them to have a psychotic episode and really go off the deep end, perhaps taking a planeload of people with them like the Fed Ex guy tried to years ago. Clearly there are some very unstable people fly U airplanes around. I'd hate to see a tragedy that had all the warning signs happen that could have been stopped had this information been passed along to the FBI for investigation. These reports may or may not be serious, but that what investigations are for.
06-28-2009, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Perhaps no one has had the guts to stand-up to this type of thuggery ?
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