Unfortunately that is not the case. The latest numbers are:

24 Chautauqua ERJ145s
16 Shuttle America EMB175s
2 Shuttle America EMB170s

 

Ahhhh...I don't get to CVG much. Thought that was all mesa territory now, just looked up the flight numbers in the timetable.

Hmmm. I'm about done trying to figure all of this crap out. I think we still have a week or two before they start drawing the curtains on this (Finalization of Frontier ).

No matter how many things you figure out they always have a curveball lined up that no one saw coming. Good Luck to all.

 

I think this is exactly whats happening. This is what XJT did after the CAL cuts. XJT mgmt grasped for straws to save face after CAL announced pulling the 69 planes and it ended up bad for XJT. Except republic is doing it on a bigger scale. I think they see the writing on the wall and know that flying is shifting back to the mainline carriers, just as Richard Anderson has said over and over. Republic is trying to put the cards in their hands instead of leaving them with DAL, UAL, USAIR, AA, CAL etc.

like everyone else has said, the next year should be very interesting.

 

There are a few differences in what BB is doing compared to what Indy and XJT tried. Both Frontier and Midwest have something the other two didn't, a steady stream of revenue. Frontier is already cash flow positive and they are expecting about $400mil in revenue from Midwest. Whether that happens or not we'll all just have to pick up the paper one day and see but this is a huge difference between operations. Also the cost per seat mile of a 190/175 is WAY cheaper than that of a ERJ. Also the routes being flown, ie MKE-LAX, will probably create more revenue than some of the more smaller markets XJT was flying into. Like I said we'll have to see if this works or not but trying to compare what RJET is doing to that of Indy Air or XJT is apples to oranges.

 

im sorry but i seem to have missed the part where delta all of a suddenly hates chautauqua and shuttle and wants to get rid of them. could some one please explain that one to me with solid facts not crazy idiotic oppiinons.

 

Well, we'll try. First off, about 6 months ago, or so, it was well known throughout the DCI carriers, that ALPA represents, that the Delta pilot group went to managment with the request that had some major bullet points on what they want for requirements to be a DCI carrier. At that time, the companies under RAH and Mesa did not meet the proposed criteria. It was relayed that Delta management was very receptive to the proposal.

That was six months ago, or so, and nothing different has been reported back that can be made public, evidently.

As much as I don't like it on the outside looking in, the whole Frontier-Midwest purchase make perfect sense to me for BB and RAH. Of course, it puts all of the pilots lives in a blender but we all know how much he cares about that. As someone that follows the business side of aviation on a daily basis, that move means more to me in a defensive nature than an offensive nature. I don't think you take that risk on those two particular airlines if all things were staying status quo. Their financials don't impress, assets aren't worth much and the competition is very significant and is going to be stronger. On top of that, operational logistics and labor unrest will be a nightmare.

The bottom line is that RAH properties are contract carriers with no vested interest outside of whatever thier "donation" to USAir bought them. In a post bankruptcy world, cheaper labor is not a deal maker anymore. At this point, every regional is cheap so keep as much as you can on your own books. That is what helps management, as individuals, more than outsourcing. They've got to start finding ways to get investors back on board. Mergers, happy labor (yeah, I still don't know what to think about Comair...that's a mystery), growth potential, etc. THAT's what investors want to see and I, personally, don't see that by giving so much money to some other airline you don't own. I think they'll always have some options that aren't wholly owned but it sounds like there will be requirements to be met.

Sorry to give you fact mixed with opinion but I don't think the opinion is crazy.

 

Can you shed some light on what these criteria are? And who is RHP?

I'd be pretty sure with a Midwest/Delta codeshare agreement things have been worked out behind closed doors that will rear their ugly heads soon enough without need for further speculation.

 

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking with RHP. It's been fixed.

The two major points I recall were pay related and flow-through / back agreements. There was a small laundry list of items but those two stuck out.

 

I agree with this. DAL has said many times in the past that they want to reduce the number of DCI carriers flying for them. There will be a lot of blood letting in the near future. A lot of reshuffling and parking of RJs and Saabs. It already started at XJ with parking 10 Saabs. XJ will furlough 110 pilots starting this Fall. Comair has been squeezed beyond belief. Who's next? DAL looks poised to get rid of as many DCI carriers as they want. This sounds really bad and it is but in the long run, for all of us it will be for the best that DCIs are minimized and Majors are maximized. At least I hope that will be the case. Who knows what will be in the cards. Maybe Nostradamus knew.

Bedford has just poked a major beehive. Others have mentioned before that Bedford is now infringing on Major territories of DAL, SWA, CAL, US Airways, AirTran and UAL. None of them will stand by and let RAH eat away at their market share which is already down to a bare. DAL will be very aggressive in making their move. So will SWA. Both are predatory and perhaps SWA has been better at it in the domestic market up to this point since domestic is all they do.

 

i have a friend who worked in DCI fleet scheduling and he said every one there loved chautuaqua and shuttle because of our on time performance, completion factor, and willingness to work with delta to get stuff done. Now if the unions want a flow through/back agreement to protect their jobs, that would be one thing that RAH would only consider if it produces growth for us in a J4J situation.