SWAPA beware of hubris
08-14-2009 | 06:12 AM
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SWAPA beware of hubris
It is really quite unbelievable that SWAPA would think that a straight staple was a good deal for the Frontier pilots. (by the way, a relative seniority integration proposed by FAPA was equally outrageous). Southwest is a good company but has to adapt. That is not my theory, that is from Gary Kelly the CEO.
Right now SWAPA feels that their careers are so fabulous that just about everyone should be happy just to stand in their shadow. Look back at Delta in late 90's when they were hiring 1000 pilots in a year, had pay 40-50% above Southwest and seemed unstoppable. What a difference a few years make.
Southwest no longer enjoys a cost advantage in relation to other LCC's and even to some major carriers (like Delta now). You employees are getting older on average and they will cost more. Most of the easy markets are tapped out and Southwest can't grow like they used to. I think they are shrinking now.
I say this not to bash on Southwest or the pilots, but the arrogance shown on this board and by your union was pretty shocking. You may feel like you own the world now, but you should always be careful at buying your own hype too much. I think Gen. George Patton said it best:
"For over a thousand years Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of triumph, a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeteers, musicians and strange animals from conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conquerors rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children robed in white stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting."
Right now SWAPA feels that their careers are so fabulous that just about everyone should be happy just to stand in their shadow. Look back at Delta in late 90's when they were hiring 1000 pilots in a year, had pay 40-50% above Southwest and seemed unstoppable. What a difference a few years make.
Southwest no longer enjoys a cost advantage in relation to other LCC's and even to some major carriers (like Delta now). You employees are getting older on average and they will cost more. Most of the easy markets are tapped out and Southwest can't grow like they used to. I think they are shrinking now.
I say this not to bash on Southwest or the pilots, but the arrogance shown on this board and by your union was pretty shocking. You may feel like you own the world now, but you should always be careful at buying your own hype too much. I think Gen. George Patton said it best:
"For over a thousand years Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of triumph, a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeteers, musicians and strange animals from conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conquerors rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children robed in white stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting."
08-14-2009 | 06:33 AM
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It is really quite unbelievable that SWAPA would think that a straight staple was a good deal for the Frontier pilots. (by the way, a relative seniority integration proposed by FAPA was equally outrageous). Southwest is a good company but has to adapt. That is not my theory, that is from Gary Kelly the CEO.
Right now SWAPA feels that their careers are so fabulous that just about everyone should be happy just to stand in their shadow. Look back at Delta in late 90's when they were hiring 1000 pilots in a year, had pay 40-50% above Southwest and seemed unstoppable. What a difference a few years make.
Southwest no longer enjoys a cost advantage in relation to other LCC's and even to some major carriers (like Delta now). You employees are getting older on average and they will cost more. Most of the easy markets are tapped out and Southwest can't grow like they used to. I think they are shrinking now.
I say this not to bash on Southwest or the pilots, but the arrogance shown on this board and by your union was pretty shocking. You may feel like you own the world now, but you should always be careful at buying your own hype too much. I think Gen. George Patton said it best:
"For over a thousand years Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of triumph, a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeteers, musicians and strange animals from conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conquerors rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children robed in white stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting."
Right now SWAPA feels that their careers are so fabulous that just about everyone should be happy just to stand in their shadow. Look back at Delta in late 90's when they were hiring 1000 pilots in a year, had pay 40-50% above Southwest and seemed unstoppable. What a difference a few years make.
Southwest no longer enjoys a cost advantage in relation to other LCC's and even to some major carriers (like Delta now). You employees are getting older on average and they will cost more. Most of the easy markets are tapped out and Southwest can't grow like they used to. I think they are shrinking now.
I say this not to bash on Southwest or the pilots, but the arrogance shown on this board and by your union was pretty shocking. You may feel like you own the world now, but you should always be careful at buying your own hype too much. I think Gen. George Patton said it best:
"For over a thousand years Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of triumph, a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeteers, musicians and strange animals from conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conquerors rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children robed in white stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting."
There are more than a few APC regulars from EVERY airline that could benefit from the same advice.
08-14-2009 | 07:14 AM
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Alfa,
How can you say such blasphme. Have you not heard the swas ghettoesque "game on" threats dog. They are now going to come into all major hubs in a big way and send all legacies to the graveyard. They are unstoppable don't ya know. More than likely they will be the only airline left standing.. Just wait, after they conquer the US, they will head to Europe to crush BA, AF/KLM, LUFT etc. Then on to Asia. They will own the world.
How can you say such blasphme. Have you not heard the swas ghettoesque "game on" threats dog. They are now going to come into all major hubs in a big way and send all legacies to the graveyard. They are unstoppable don't ya know. More than likely they will be the only airline left standing.. Just wait, after they conquer the US, they will head to Europe to crush BA, AF/KLM, LUFT etc. Then on to Asia. They will own the world.
It is really quite unbelievable that SWAPA would think that a straight staple was a good deal for the Frontier pilots. (by the way, a relative seniority integration proposed by FAPA was equally outrageous). Southwest is a good company but has to adapt. That is not my theory, that is from Gary Kelly the CEO.
Right now SWAPA feels that their careers are so fabulous that just about everyone should be happy just to stand in their shadow. Look back at Delta in late 90's when they were hiring 1000 pilots in a year, had pay 40-50% above Southwest and seemed unstoppable. What a difference a few years make.
Southwest no longer enjoys a cost advantage in relation to other LCC's and even to some major carriers (like Delta now). You employees are getting older on average and they will cost more. Most of the easy markets are tapped out and Southwest can't grow like they used to. I think they are shrinking now.
I say this not to bash on Southwest or the pilots, but the arrogance shown on this board and by your union was pretty shocking. You may feel like you own the world now, but you should always be careful at buying your own hype too much. I think Gen. George Patton said it best:
"For over a thousand years Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of triumph, a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeteers, musicians and strange animals from conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conquerors rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children robed in white stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting."
Right now SWAPA feels that their careers are so fabulous that just about everyone should be happy just to stand in their shadow. Look back at Delta in late 90's when they were hiring 1000 pilots in a year, had pay 40-50% above Southwest and seemed unstoppable. What a difference a few years make.
Southwest no longer enjoys a cost advantage in relation to other LCC's and even to some major carriers (like Delta now). You employees are getting older on average and they will cost more. Most of the easy markets are tapped out and Southwest can't grow like they used to. I think they are shrinking now.
I say this not to bash on Southwest or the pilots, but the arrogance shown on this board and by your union was pretty shocking. You may feel like you own the world now, but you should always be careful at buying your own hype too much. I think Gen. George Patton said it best:
"For over a thousand years Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of triumph, a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeteers, musicians and strange animals from conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conquerors rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children robed in white stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting."
08-14-2009 | 09:42 AM
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08-14-2009 | 10:08 AM
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Just wondering in a generic sense ....
Given the choice between keeping the same pay and moving to the right seat or keeping the same seat and giving up pay, how many would choose the latter over the former?
Which "E-word" is more important: Earnings or Ego?
Given the choice between keeping the same pay and moving to the right seat or keeping the same seat and giving up pay, how many would choose the latter over the former?
Which "E-word" is more important: Earnings or Ego?
08-14-2009 | 10:09 AM
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It's funny, when someone post that they don't mean to bash or disrespect anything or anyone, that's the first thing they do in the next line.
BTW, get your facts straight next time before getting on your high horse. Morris air was stapled to the bottom.
BTW, get your facts straight next time before getting on your high horse. Morris air was stapled to the bottom.
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