After that long, do they even have recall rights ?

People are already talking about how to merge the lists should an AA deal come and it still is in the "educated rumor" stage. My guess is if it did and AMR has learned anything of the past, they'd just cherry pick some assets and pass on the employees. Even sending the USAPA a greetings card would be stupid IMO.

Parker's ready to roll over on just about anything, AMR can call the shots and Parker would sell out employees in a New York minute to carve a deal for himself and avoid a legacy as somone who ran an airline into the terrain.

AA's got enough furloughees as it is and as we all know virtually all mergers result in fewer jobs, so I don't think most at U would have anywhere to go anyway. AMR knows it's not in the benevolent job saving business, but the 'make the most money for the least spent' business. I'd bet the U furloughees could add another decade waiting as AA likley wont be hiring soon without a merger, let alone with one.

 

I think a much more likely scenario would be US Air + RAH. Fleet commonality(airbus, E190), route structure, seniority integration wouldnt be any worse than what RAH already has to deal with. Maybe give Parker the CEO spot and make Bedford Chief of Pencils and Paper Clips.

 

Well usapa has the solution for that, furlough the west guys that had jobs and worked for a growing airline that had 0 furloughs and then give doh to the east furloughs with 12 years on the street so they can be captains on the west side.

 

..........and if no deal, then SUE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

As a pilot for another legacy, I am tired of reading America West pilots' slander. I have always looked at US Airways as a superior airline to work for over America West. America West was a second tier airline. US Airways paid a lot better than America West until post 2001. The award is not right. I know you guys like to think it is because a third party decided, but that does not make it right. I as well as other pilots are tired of reading about it.

 

The **** Reno Air was put through... Better have something to back that up with.

Reno came into existence around the time AA furloughed. They ended up going on the list December 1998. Behind a handful of new hires that were hired starting in the spring of 1998. If they had been given DOH, it would have put them in after the 93 hires and before the few hundred hired in 1998.

They sit now as fairly senior wide-body 767 FO positions, 777 FO positions as well. They complained that they were not given their seats, in other words feathered into a seniority list above their actual hire dates at Reno.

At the time a 12 year 727 FE made more than their MD-80 Captains on an hourly basis..

Please spare me they were screwed crap. I know 2 of them personally that had their apps in with AA when this went down. They are both pretty happy, at least they were till this place went to where it is now.

AA

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a judge declare some of USAPA's actions illegal ?

That would hardly be in accordance with the actions of a group of respectable aviators. Whether the award was fair isn't the issue, but it was a process that the U pilots agreed to and is binding, yet apparently the belief is that anything goes with them. It is for that reason IMO, that any and all carriers should steer clear of any involvement with this group. Perhaps, that is one of Parkers objectives - to rid himself of this albatross, so he MAY have a chance at saving this carrier.

He could be talking to AMR about an East asset aquisition and mold a situation allowing him to relinquish most, if not all of the East and rebuild a cohesive West carrier.............that's what I'd be doing. Keeping these to carriers seperate in perpituity is a virtual guarantee of collapse of the whole outfit, so maybe this is the last resort.

What if he were to sell the most important 25% of U (which is probably all that is now worth anything) and keep the senior pilots flying it until they retire ?

It's my understanding that the top 500 or so have only got 5 or so years left. Then flush the rest and have the remaining U reclaim some of it's former routes over time. I don't know, but I'm thinking Parker HAS to do something with this situaton or preside over the companies death.

Being held hostage by a group of intransigent crybabies is no way to run a carrier whether they are right or wrong. At any rate, we're kinda getting off topic, so this issue can be rikindled if necessary on any numner of already existing threads on the subject..

 

Yea, 272 "Super" 80's - the buyers would be lined up for those.

Maybe Parkers' nosing around for $800 million in AMR assets so you can make the debt payment?

 

First of all, you're waaaaay ahead of yourself here. AA can't just buy the airways certificate and suddenly operate using it. It doesn't work that way. They would have to operate LCC & AA as 2 airlines until a Single Operating Certificate was obtained(1.5 years MINIMUM)

Second, I don't see AA burning cash just to buy LCC. I suspect the only way it would happen is to do a deal like the NWA/DAL merger, a stock swap. Then, there is the mess of overlap, fleet differences, and DOJ Approval.(Thus could be the nail in the coffin)


By this logic you're still wrong because DAL had an operational profit last qtr.

 

I've only been around this industry since 1987, so I can't say anything about earlier times, but USAir's been second tier all that time. In fact, two of my friends at Delta were in new-hire class at USAir in 1987...and walked out.

I feel bad for the screw job the AmWest guys are getting at the hands of USAPA. I dont know a lot of America West guys, but the ones I do know came from failed legacy carriers, and it gauls me to hear them referred to as inexperienced noobs.