House passes pilot training bill
10-22-2009, 10:04 AM
#101
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As for myself, I am pleased to see the premium placed on a four year education within this bill. However, I would like to see this importance manifest itself differently. That is, I would like to see the requirement be that 1500 hours, an ATP, and a 4-year degree from any accredited university be the requirement to fly ticket paying American passengers through our skies. The requirement for a four year degree truly establishes the Airline Pilot profession as just that - a professional organization of educated, skilled workers. It:
- Establishes every member as an educated professional worthy of much more than 18K/year
- Establishes a baseline of education, one that has guaranteed a minimum standard of general university requirements in critical thinking and communication.
- Completely eliminates the ability of the industry to produce ridiculously quick entrances to the profession - which has the same effect as printing money in times of shortage. It devalues the currency.
I think we could go on all day about how raising the standard of education in our industry helps us all, but I digress. I am saving it for my letter to my Senator. In a state like WY - there is virtually no mainline flights putting wheels on a runway outside of Jackson Hole. Essentially, I think we could all agree that a more professional organization could be argued to be a safer one. Hopefully, the good Senator will agree. I urge those of you with similar sentiments to express them to your congressmen and women as well.
Fair Skies and Tailwinds......
S2G
- Establishes every member as an educated professional worthy of much more than 18K/year
- Establishes a baseline of education, one that has guaranteed a minimum standard of general university requirements in critical thinking and communication.
- Completely eliminates the ability of the industry to produce ridiculously quick entrances to the profession - which has the same effect as printing money in times of shortage. It devalues the currency.
I think we could go on all day about how raising the standard of education in our industry helps us all, but I digress. I am saving it for my letter to my Senator. In a state like WY - there is virtually no mainline flights putting wheels on a runway outside of Jackson Hole. Essentially, I think we could all agree that a more professional organization could be argued to be a safer one. Hopefully, the good Senator will agree. I urge those of you with similar sentiments to express them to your congressmen and women as well.
Fair Skies and Tailwinds......
S2G
10-22-2009, 11:27 AM
#102
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Originally Posted by Silver2Gold
As for myself, I am pleased to see the premium placed on a four year education within this bill. However, I would like to see this importance manifest itself differently. That is, I would like to see the requirement be that 1500 hours, an ATP, and a 4-year degree from any accredited university be the requirement to fly ticket paying American passengers through our skies. The requirement for a four year degree truly establishes the Airline Pilot profession as just that - a professional organization of educated, skilled workers. It:
- Establishes every member as an educated professional worthy of much more than 18K/year
- Establishes a baseline of education, one that has guaranteed a minimum standard of general university requirements in critical thinking and communication.
- Completely eliminates the ability of the industry to produce ridiculously quick entrances to the profession - which has the same effect as printing money in times of shortage. It devalues the currency.
I think we could go on all day about how raising the standard of education in our industry helps us all, but I digress. I am saving it for my letter to my Senator. In a state like WY - there is virtually no mainline flights putting wheels on a runway outside of Jackson Hole. Essentially, I think we could all agree that a more professional organization could be argued to be a safer one. Hopefully, the good Senator will agree. I urge those of you with similar sentiments to express them to your congressmen and women as well.
Fair Skies and Tailwinds......
S2G
- Establishes every member as an educated professional worthy of much more than 18K/year
- Establishes a baseline of education, one that has guaranteed a minimum standard of general university requirements in critical thinking and communication.
- Completely eliminates the ability of the industry to produce ridiculously quick entrances to the profession - which has the same effect as printing money in times of shortage. It devalues the currency.
I think we could go on all day about how raising the standard of education in our industry helps us all, but I digress. I am saving it for my letter to my Senator. In a state like WY - there is virtually no mainline flights putting wheels on a runway outside of Jackson Hole. Essentially, I think we could all agree that a more professional organization could be argued to be a safer one. Hopefully, the good Senator will agree. I urge those of you with similar sentiments to express them to your congressmen and women as well.
Fair Skies and Tailwinds......
S2G
Silver2Gold,
Great post!!!!
10-22-2009, 12:48 PM
#104
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I agree, yes, that a degree is an important thing to have. However, I disagree with saying that, if one has a degree, that they are automatically more capable. I, for one, did not have parents who could begin to afford to put me through school. I've been forced to pay bills since I was 16 and live in lieu of college. Secondly, I know way too many people with degrees that are absolutely clueless, and whom I would NEVER trust in a cockpit. That being said, I think it is b.s. to say that having a degree deems a person more capable of flying Americans around the friendly skies. I don't want to be a pest about this matter, but it is something which I feel very strongly about. College does not instill logic and common sense, which I feel are sometimes more important in life.
10-25-2009, 06:59 PM
#105
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Originally Posted by Silver2Gold
As for myself, I am pleased to see the premium placed on a four year education within this bill. However, I would like to see this importance manifest itself differently. That is, I would like to see the requirement be that 1500 hours, an ATP, and a 4-year degree from any accredited university be the requirement to fly ticket paying American passengers through our skies. The requirement for a four year degree truly establishes the Airline Pilot profession as just that - a professional organization of educated, skilled workers. It:
- Establishes every member as an educated professional worthy of much more than 18K/year
- Establishes a baseline of education, one that has guaranteed a minimum standard of general university requirements in critical thinking and communication.
- Completely eliminates the ability of the industry to produce ridiculously quick entrances to the profession - which has the same effect as printing money in times of shortage. It devalues the currency.
I think we could go on all day about how raising the standard of education in our industry helps us all, but I digress. I am saving it for my letter to my Senator. In a state like WY - there is virtually no mainline flights putting wheels on a runway outside of Jackson Hole. Essentially, I think we could all agree that a more professional organization could be argued to be a safer one. Hopefully, the good Senator will agree. I urge those of you with similar sentiments to express them to your congressmen and women as well.
Fair Skies and Tailwinds......
S2G
- Establishes every member as an educated professional worthy of much more than 18K/year
- Establishes a baseline of education, one that has guaranteed a minimum standard of general university requirements in critical thinking and communication.
- Completely eliminates the ability of the industry to produce ridiculously quick entrances to the profession - which has the same effect as printing money in times of shortage. It devalues the currency.
I think we could go on all day about how raising the standard of education in our industry helps us all, but I digress. I am saving it for my letter to my Senator. In a state like WY - there is virtually no mainline flights putting wheels on a runway outside of Jackson Hole. Essentially, I think we could all agree that a more professional organization could be argued to be a safer one. Hopefully, the good Senator will agree. I urge those of you with similar sentiments to express them to your congressmen and women as well.
Fair Skies and Tailwinds......
S2G
Hopefully, this Bill will end the "Puppy Mills" pumping out "Airline pilots" in 9 months with the education of "Miss South Carolina" babbling about not enough maps for people or something!
10-25-2009, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Wegs
I agree, yes, that a degree is an important thing to have. However, I disagree with saying that, if one has a degree, that they are automatically more capable. I, for one, did not have parents who could begin to afford to put me through school. I've been forced to pay bills since I was 16 and live in lieu of college. Secondly, I know way too many people with degrees that are absolutely clueless, and whom I would NEVER trust in a cockpit. That being said, I think it is b.s. to say that having a degree deems a person more capable of flying Americans around the friendly skies. I don't want to be a pest about this matter, but it is something which I feel very strongly about. College does not instill logic and common sense, which I feel are sometimes more important in life.
I'm sorry that you are financially strapped. I've been there. My dad cut me off after the first year of college. Afther that I paid for college, supported myself, and ended up needing government loans for my final two years. It isn't easy.
However, I feel strongly that airline pilots do indeed need a college degree in order to work as an airline pilot. Consider this. As an airline pilot, you can literally have a couple hundred people in your hands in any one day. Doctors for the matter, do not. Yet, you would never go to a doctor who wasn't a degreed professional or got a degree from an online college or Devry Institute.
As airline pilots we are professionals -- we must be critical thinkers, there's a distinct body of knowledge required and it keeps changing which requires us to keep mastering our profession, there's certification, there's a certain technique with our work, and we get paid adequately.
If I had it my way, I would make the requirement to be a technical degree. But I am willing to let the folks who take basketweaving fly a plane if they prove to pass the ATP standards / tests.
10-25-2009, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by superduck
Thank you for this post. Well said.
Hopefully, this Bill will end the "Puppy Mills" pumping out "Airline pilots" in 9 months with the education of "Miss South Carolina" babbling about not enough maps for people or something!
Hopefully, this Bill will end the "Puppy Mills" pumping out "Airline pilots" in 9 months with the education of "Miss South Carolina" babbling about not enough maps for people or something!
10-25-2009, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by xtreme
Yea, that will hopefully put an end to taxiway landings... Oh wait. Nevermind...
It may put an end to "Colgan Air" type buffooneries.
Captain allows aircraft to stall, pulls full back yoke in respose. The female "Nimrod" FO screams and raises the flaps!
How are we doing so far here? It was all over at 2000 feet. No attempt to recover, full aft yoke all the way down. Killed 22 people, (one on the ground).
At least Delta did not hurt anyone, let alone kill anyone!
Big difference between landing on the wrong runway..err taxiway and not being capable of recognizing or even recovering from a simple stall!
Delta passengers walk off on a jetbridge, Colgan passingers are carried off in body bags.
Big difference!
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