acl65pilot

Lets wait and see what the results are.

acl65pilot

The erase button provides a "Soft" erase. The data can still be retrieved.

IrishTiger

Again, a good choice. Thanks for remaining professional despite the continued "attacks" on you for not spilling the beans and for "defending" these flight crews.


So what's the purpose in even having the button then? I've often wondered this.

UnlimitedAkro

Sounds like DC probably has the results by now.

If this is a sleeping case... can the feds pursue criminal charges? Thoughts?

AirbusA320

Thanks guys.

You are making it harder for us to keep our medicals. FAA is cracking down on color-blindness thanks to a landing accident and now they are looking into sleep disorders. The NTSB would want us to check into a hospital for an overnight stay for a sleep apnea check.

BTW - it sounds like they flew an extra 300 miles, did they land with 45 minutes of fuel?

alfaromeo

Actually we do quite a good job of policing ourselves. If you look at almost any other profession you will see that only repeated gross poor performance is a reason for being removed. I worked a side business providing services for medium size companies and the buffoonery that went on there was incredible.

No one would argue that these two incidents (taxiway landing, flying past destination) are mistakes. I am sure the two crews would give a lot to have a do over for this.

The question is do you throw away these people for one mistake? How many years of service, how many flights have these two crews given to their airlines with no problems. We are human, we make mistakes. If you threw away everyone who makes a mistake then you will create a pretty toxic atmosphere in the company and in the cockpit. Can you imagine a crew racing each other to turn each other in whenever something out of the ordinary comes up. How about a missed radio call? What if a Captain makes a wrong turn on a taxiway?

I have been at Delta for awhile now. They do a very good job of protecting their pilots even after they make mistakes. For everyone new to Delta, you should remember that management will not forgive lying to them. If you fell asleep, tell them you fell asleep, etc. After you give them the full story, they will stand behind you for the FAA and all other comers.

We have a great profession that performs miracles every day. We are human also. Learn from your own mistakes, learn from others mistakes, let's not rush to judgment and throw people away as soon as they act human.

Hawaii50

The media is lightning quick to jump on any story like this. What they never print is what a remarkably safe operation we all run day in and day out. Through furloughs, contract negotiations, mergers, terrorist threats and everything else they throw at us, industry wide we continue to fly millions of people every day with an incredible safety record. You'll never see that in the USA today but it's something we should all take pride in.

Iflyforcash

I feel really bad for their famillies, what a Christmas gift they are getting, and the News is going to crucify them.

"It can happen to anyone"

UnlimitedAkro

Amen to that!

acl65pilot

Alfa,
Great post. As they say here at DAL; Don't lie, or steal and you will have a great career. This company is pro-pilot. We believe in the "Big Bubble" If you operate outside of it, they will want an explanation. If you make a mistake, take ego out of it and have full disclosure. They will normally do everything they can to help you.