FAA Revokes the NWA Pilot's Licenses
#11
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jun 2008
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One issue I haven't seen discussed is whether these two pilots have flown together before. Is there a possible (serious) personality conflict -- perhaps there is something on file with the airline that one of the pilots has requested not to be paired with the other. Maybe they were having a blow out argument. Just a thought.
#12
I feel that these guys SHOULD NOT be fired (yes, I said it ... and those who read this can flame away). There are thousands of pilots flying who are able to hide behind their unions and NASA reports -- druggies, drunks, wife beaters, stalkers, completely incompetent aviators ... you name it.
But for the record and I'm sure it happens somewhere within the ranks, I've never seen a DAL-S guy use a laptop in flight. Ever. I think these guys may have been doing so since they fly an Airbus and don't have the yoke in front of them.
This isn't a DAL-S vs. DAL-N flame, so please, don't take it as such.
#13
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I believe revocation lasts 1 year and after that period they can reapply, but have to take all their checkrides again from scratch. Techinically, they will meet all the aeronautical experience requirements for the PVT, COMM and ATP, but must meet regain recency requirements and demonstrate performance standards. It'll cost some bucks.
Getting another job with this on your record won't be as easy..............perhaps a job at Best Buy selling laptops would be in order ?
Getting another job with this on your record won't be as easy..............perhaps a job at Best Buy selling laptops would be in order ?
#14
I believe they have 10 days to appeal, according to the FAA's rules...
From Newsweek online article...
"Cheney and Cole have 10 days to appeal the revocations to the NTSB, which acts as an independent authority to investigate and adjudicate appeals of license suspensions by the FAA. The pilots can appeal an adverse verdict by an NTSB administrative law judge to members of the NTSB itself, and then appeal further to the courts. The NTSB has expedited procedures to process an appeal of an emergency license revocation within a matter of days."
From Newsweek online article...
"Cheney and Cole have 10 days to appeal the revocations to the NTSB, which acts as an independent authority to investigate and adjudicate appeals of license suspensions by the FAA. The pilots can appeal an adverse verdict by an NTSB administrative law judge to members of the NTSB itself, and then appeal further to the courts. The NTSB has expedited procedures to process an appeal of an emergency license revocation within a matter of days."
#15
Thats exactly the slippery slope with all of this. There are alot of things that happen that get covered under the ASAP programs and investigated under the appropriate chains of command. However this event didnt get that process because the media took off with this "story". I agree these guys were blatantly ignoring the aircraft and should likely be fired but the FAA pulling their tickets right away just shows that these guys were just made examples of.
- Criminal activity
- Substance abuse
- Controlled substances
- Alcohol
- Intentional falsification
- Intentional disregard for safety
#16
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
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I wouldn't hesitate to let my family fly with them. The union will back these guys 100%. This is far from over. This was a bad mistake that they will regret forever, but I don't believe that these guys should be thrown out like yesterday's garbage. That's all I got to say about that.
#17
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I wouldn't hesitate to let my family fly with them. The union will back these guys 100%. This is far from over. This was a bad mistake that they will regret forever, but I don't believe that these guys should be thrown out like yesterday's garbage. That's all I got to say about that.
#18
The difference between this and the taxiway deal is this would never be accepted into to ASAP. Only events involving the following will be excluded by the Pilot ASAP Event Review Committee (ERC) and will not receive the protective provisions or the enforcement related incentives of the program:
- Criminal activity
- Substance abuse
- Controlled substances
- Alcohol
- Intentional falsification
- Intentional disregard for safety
AGAIN-I think they had it coming to them after flying an hour and a half without talking to anyone and being so out of it they completely overflew msp but these guys are definitely being made examples of. My argument isnt really about the punishment these 2 are getting, its about HOW the FAA and the company are completely disregarding the established system we have established.
#19
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: CFI
Posts: 416
I feel bad for the guys. They made a mistake, but they have a whole career on which they should be judged, nit just one flight.
#20
Thats exactly the slippery slope with all of this. There are alot of things that happen that get covered under the ASAP programs and investigated under the appropriate chains of command. However this event didnt get that process because the media took off with this "story". I agree these guys were blatantly ignoring the aircraft and should likely be fired but the FAA pulling their tickets right away just shows that these guys were just made examples of.
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