Questions from a controller
11-29-2009 | 01:35 PM
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Just looking at the NTSB database for the past 5 years came up with these three. They all involved running into company aircraft though. I could care less about taxi speeds though I just wish you guys could turn off your landing lights, strobes and wing inspection lights before taxiing by at night.
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id...1700&key=1
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id...0042&key=2
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id...0283&key=2
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id...1700&key=1
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id...0042&key=2
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id...0283&key=2
11-29-2009 | 01:53 PM
#62
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Just looking at the NTSB database for the past 5 years came up with these three. They all involved running into company aircraft though. I could care less about taxi speeds though I just wish you guys could turn off your landing lights, strobes and wing inspection lights before taxiing by at night.
LAX06LA009A
LAX07LA064A
DFW08IA074A
LAX06LA009A
LAX07LA064A
DFW08IA074A
11-29-2009 | 02:08 PM
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No I have no problem with that because like you said everyone else is like that. It's well after landing like on Q north bound after landing 25L at LAX. Most of the time it's just the stobes and wing inspection but I've seen the landing/retractable recogs on many times as well. Everyone forgets every once in a while but it seems like 95% of the time it's SW taxiing with it all lit up.
11-29-2009 | 02:13 PM
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Haha, yep. Our's (DAL) is "all available lighting ON" anytime crossing a runway.
One of my friend's interned at AA... pulled their checklist out for me for the 757/767. Quite cumbersome was the first description that came to mind.
NWA's was a lot different from ours, but very efficient, and DAL's is efficient in other regards.
11-29-2009 | 02:30 PM
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From: BE50C (A), BE95 (A), C172S (B)
Delta and every flight school I've ever flown with have it right, then — if you've got a light, turn it on when you're going 'cross the big concrete. Indeed, that's official FAA guidance if memory serves—Operation Lights On. Operation of anticollision lights are at the Captain's/PIC discretion by 14 CFR 91—if their operation creates a hazard, then you don't turn them on.
11-29-2009 | 03:40 PM
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Oscar,
If you are referring to my post, it was 30 knots that scares me
. Again, I am not talking about any one carrier. I see many different airlines at speeds that just don't make sense to me.
Most accidents/incidents I have seen in the last thirty years, have happened on the airport.
The linear flow thing you mention sheds a little light. Like I said earlier, two minutes isn't worth it to me. Risk reward and all... I do operate in a hub and spoke system though.
Cheers
If you are referring to my post, it was 30 knots that scares me
. Again, I am not talking about any one carrier. I see many different airlines at speeds that just don't make sense to me. Most accidents/incidents I have seen in the last thirty years, have happened on the airport.
The linear flow thing you mention sheds a little light. Like I said earlier, two minutes isn't worth it to me. Risk reward and all... I do operate in a hub and spoke system though.
Cheers
As I said, a different system can cause one to operate their aircraft differently. If your aircraft has systems that would make you suspect of taxiing over 20 kts. then don't. On a straight taxiway I feel comfortable at 30kts. and observe that because our FOM says (and Boeing recommends) that is the limit. Not wrong, just different. With 17,000+ hours in the 737 maybe I am too comfortable. That is always a possiblity. You can call it luck, but I have never (we all no what comes after that statement) injured a FA or anyone else. I agree it is all about risk vs. reward, but please when you accuse someone else (I am not saying you did) that they are unsafe, it would be nice to show why.
The Oscar
11-29-2009 | 03:48 PM
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From: B737/Capt
Just looking at the NTSB database for the past 5 years came up with these three. They all involved running into company aircraft though. I could care less about taxi speeds though I just wish you guys could turn off your landing lights, strobes and wing inspection lights before taxiing by at night.
LAX06LA009A
LAX07LA064A
DFW08IA074A
LAX06LA009A
LAX07LA064A
DFW08IA074A
The Oscar
BTW, If and when such proof is divulged I will admit it right here and now. It still won't prove that SWA is the only one who has such incidents and it is because they taxi too fast.
11-29-2009 | 04:01 PM
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From: B737/Capt
Hey guys thanks a bunch for all the answers. I will print this after a few more days to get as many replies to share with others at work. As far as for the "operational necessity" I never considered second stage climb, not really many obstacles out there but I know not everything always makes sense haha. As far as the taxi speed stuff, sounds to me like most AAL pilots do not mind others passing them on other taxiways which makes me feel better about doing it. I completely understand the reasoning behind it! Thanks again yall!
As I said I expected this to get hijacked and it was. Maybe I was partially responsible.
Perhaps there are some "old" guys/gals where you work who could provide some help with and incident that I experienced and even mentioned the last (or maybe a few times back) time taxi speeds came up here on APC. While taxiing out to 12R we found two AA MD's taxiing rather slowly in front of us and without our intitiating it the ground controller had us switch to tower freq where we were cleared to back taxi and takeoff on 12R. No disruption, no fuss, and no complaints from the AA aircraft. Just an example of the situational awareness of the controllers wanting to move traffic efficiently.
Thanks for wanting/doing your job well!
The Oscar
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