Delta j/s and first class no more?
03-01-2010 | 08:14 AM
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03-01-2010 | 08:16 AM
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And now make sure you list for one or the other not both. Doing that will get you in hot water. (on the same flight) If I can get an earlier flight I will non-rev list and then if I get bumped/rolled over to my JS flight, I notify the gate agent so she can cancel my non-rev listing.
03-01-2010 | 09:50 AM
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Same experience a few weeks back going to SYD
Dal gate agent said "there are no open seats in coach and I can't put you in First". She accepted my $30.00 fee and told me I was welcome to wait around.
On the way to to the United counter I politely asked a DAL supervisor what the policy was for OAL international jumpseaters. He confirmed that they could only be assigned a coach seat and then it was at the discretion of the CA if they were 'moved up'. He said the problem was that if coach is full you wont get on the aircraft therefore the CA cannot intervene. My companies jumpseat coordinator confirmed with his opposite number at DAL that this is indeed their policy for OAL international jumpseaters.
At the United gate I was assigned a business class (lie flat etc.) seat and boarded the aircraft. No cost.
Not a stab at DAL. I have no idea what would have happened if I had waited around at their gate. I have also had good experiences commuting to work on them.
Dal gate agent said "there are no open seats in coach and I can't put you in First". She accepted my $30.00 fee and told me I was welcome to wait around.
On the way to to the United counter I politely asked a DAL supervisor what the policy was for OAL international jumpseaters. He confirmed that they could only be assigned a coach seat and then it was at the discretion of the CA if they were 'moved up'. He said the problem was that if coach is full you wont get on the aircraft therefore the CA cannot intervene. My companies jumpseat coordinator confirmed with his opposite number at DAL that this is indeed their policy for OAL international jumpseaters.
At the United gate I was assigned a business class (lie flat etc.) seat and boarded the aircraft. No cost.
Not a stab at DAL. I have no idea what would have happened if I had waited around at their gate. I have also had good experiences commuting to work on them.
That's not a correct policy on their part.... sounds like a call to the jumpseat coordinator is in order.
03-01-2010 | 09:51 AM
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This is a good way to find out just how entrenched CAL management is in supporting ground staff and flight attendants in lieu of considering pilots point of view, in fact in opposition to pilots. If you make the point of "upgrading" jumpseaters at CAL, you are falling on your own sword. This is a systematic approach to defrock and belittle pilots, both those working in the cockpit and traveling, regardless of the airline that employs that pilot, all at the hands of CAL mgt.
Consequently CAL pilots that have tried to fight this understood policy repeatedly, end up being made examples of. Jumpseat Committee? Ha! Powerless. It serves as yet another example of how compromised ALPA is at CAL.
Consequently CAL pilots that have tried to fight this understood policy repeatedly, end up being made examples of. Jumpseat Committee? Ha! Powerless. It serves as yet another example of how compromised ALPA is at CAL.
03-01-2010 | 09:56 AM
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Works every time.
03-01-2010 | 01:03 PM
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This is a first for me. I am now quoting myself.
See below.
If you meant that you were going to call your jumpseat coordinator. Thank you.
03-02-2010 | 10:50 AM
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From: SAAB
In my humble opinion it is up to all of us to ensure everyone gets home. Whether you're a captain or a first officer you need to scan the gate area and ask the gate agent if we have jumpseaters. Get them on board first and settle first class when time permits. I view the whole aircraft as my responsibility if I want a jumpseater in first no FA or gate agent is going to override me. My only variation in the rule is military boys/girls in uniform get a handshake, a sincere thank you and a seat in first before jumpseaters.
03-03-2010 | 04:13 AM
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I just came back from a trans Atlantic trip on CAL. I was given 1st on the way over which, being the overnight leg, worked out great.
On the way back, the CA wanted to put me up front but the lead FA said I'd have to take coach due to certain politics.
Grateful for the ride anyway!
03-03-2010 | 09:16 AM
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From: "clear right"
oal jumpseated from phl to msp yesterday on delta. gate agent put me in first even with 40 open seats in coach. no problems at all. i did check with the lead to make sure it was ok. slept most of the flight and when i woke up the lead offered me breakfast. thanks delta (or in this case, former nwa)!
03-03-2010 | 01:16 PM
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From: Unbridled Enthusiasm
Very kind of you and appreciated I'm sure!
I just came back from a trans Atlantic trip on CAL. I was given 1st on the way over which, being the overnight leg, worked out great.
On the way back, the CA wanted to put me up front but the lead FA said I'd have to take coach due to certain politics.
Grateful for the ride anyway!
I just came back from a trans Atlantic trip on CAL. I was given 1st on the way over which, being the overnight leg, worked out great.
On the way back, the CA wanted to put me up front but the lead FA said I'd have to take coach due to certain politics.
Grateful for the ride anyway!
Politics be damned, ask nicely, then insist, (thats not directed at you but my weak fellow CAL counterpart who didn't follow through).
Its not the F/A's seat to give or take away.
