AA to recall soon?
04-10-2010, 10:10 AM
#52
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Originally Posted by mwa1
I know the man, passed one of his orals, he busted a host of ae pilots that I know of. That said, he never asked or did anything out of bounds. APA did the investigation for alleged improprieties and ended up scolding their own as I recall.
04-10-2010, 10:26 AM
#53
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I am saying that AE has always been tough and some ck airman are especially tough. That does not mean they are unfair just thorough. I know both of the parties and can vouch for their flying skills and intellectual ability. That makes them good pilots but not the most forgiving examiners.
04-10-2010, 11:10 AM
#54
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Originally Posted by AAflyer
Never treated anyone poorly.. Even after being lectured by a couple of your Captains in the jumpseat. Hopefully you aren't taking these message boards to seriously, as I would otherwise easily consider you and many others AA hater.
AA (prior Simmons)
AA (prior Simmons)
A check airman or two might have been among those with a grudge, but some were also avoided by Eagle pilots as well, so it may have been a less then desirable person aggrivated further for some flowbacks. There were a few complete jerks in the flowback ranks as well, but when all boiled down, any group mentioned here was an EXTREME minority.
I take this forum the same with little seriousness and an understanding of the breakdown of tools.
04-10-2010, 12:08 PM
#55
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I have no illusions about AA pilots, a few are actually friends. 95% of our pilots had no unpleasant interactions with any flowback AA pilots. Those that did were virtually all angry F/O's who didn't understand the ramifications of Letter 3 when they signed on and were unhappy about the situation. Very few captains (and I'll bet not a single senior flowthrough) cared as the flowback situation was all beneath them senioirty wise and thus of no consequence.
A check airman or two might have been among those with a grudge, but some were also avoided by Eagle pilots as well, so it may have been a less then desirable person aggrivated further for some flowbacks. There were a few complete jerks in the flowback ranks as well, but when all boiled down, any group mentioned here was an EXTREME minority.
I take this forum the same with little seriousness and an understanding of the breakdown of tools.[/QUOTE]
I 2nd .
A check airman or two might have been among those with a grudge, but some were also avoided by Eagle pilots as well, so it may have been a less then desirable person aggrivated further for some flowbacks. There were a few complete jerks in the flowback ranks as well, but when all boiled down, any group mentioned here was an EXTREME minority.
I take this forum the same with little seriousness and an understanding of the breakdown of tools.[/QUOTE]
I 2nd .
04-10-2010, 02:42 PM
#56
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Position: 320 CA
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Originally Posted by maveric311
while management laughs at us because we are bashing each other over with baseball bats, APA still has no no contract and EGL will be up for negotiation in 2.5 years. wow! can we all stop being so childish and work with the hand that has been dealt to all of us. This thread is like reading a pre-school playground fight. Grow Up people and work together.
Everyone cut the BS. We are on the same team.
Last edited by Flyby1206; 04-10-2010 at 02:53 PM.
04-10-2010, 03:04 PM
#58
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Originally Posted by B757200ER
No, they should NOT have been recalled, because they were never furloughed, 'Ace'. You can't recall a pilot who never worked for AA, just like you shouldn't allow a new-hire Eagle pilot at AA to take the place of an AA pilot who was furloughed.
And how about the 27 AA flow-backs who were displaced from CA to FO? Shouldn't they get their CA seats back?
And how about the 27 AA flow-backs who were displaced from CA to FO? Shouldn't they get their CA seats back?
04-10-2010, 04:49 PM
#59
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Arbitration?---NO. Seat Grab?---YES!
Originally Posted by atp409
Even if that Eagle pilot worked through negotiations to legally secure a number on AA list? Before the TWA acquisition? Not trying trying to pick a fight. But I think you are hung up on semantics. The legal order of "recall" "employment" "acceptance" whatever you want to call it has been established. TWA as cool of a place to work as it was failing and was bought by big poppa stagnation. Don't say 20 year eagle pilots are taking AA jobs at TWA pilots expense.
You can't be recalled to a job you never had; AMR Eagle pilots are NEW-HIRES, period. AA furloughees already had a job and a number, regardless of mergers/acquisitions. Calling them new-hires is asinine, and completely clueless. The semantics are yours.
For others looking in from outside, consider this: Imagine if Continental furloughed 2,000 CAL pilots, then brought back 300 ExpressJet pilots prior to all CAL furloughees being recalled. Or, if you prefer, USAirways furloughing 2,000 pilots, then hiring 300 PSA/Piedmont/Allegheny (USAirwaysExpress) pilots prior to bringing back all USA furloughees. Or, Delta furloughing 2,000 pilots, then hiring 300 Comair/ASA pilots prior to bringing back all DAL furloughees. I know, these companies didn't have flow-thru agreements like AMR did. The concept, the process and the examples provided are exactly the same.
04-10-2010, 04:58 PM
#60
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Originally Posted by Beagle Pilot
What are his initials? Odds are this same person screwed over more than just ex-TWA guys. If the actions of just one person are your sole reason for slamming all Eagle pilots about the "poor treatment" flowbacks received and this is your only justification for denying flow throughs their rights to an agreed upon contract, I respectfully suggest you reevaluate your sense of justice and honor.
But, we are all aware, AA and ex-TWA, of Eagle sim IPs who took out their hatred of AA/APA/Letter 3 on flow-backs who were there because it was all they had at the time. They'll get theirs, trust me.
And as far as "denying flow throughs their rights to an agreed upon contract", the AA flow-backs were in exactly the same predicament! What about them? Your sim IPs were immature, childish, amatuerish and most deservedly---unprofessional in their conduct.
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