What's the "Latest and Greatest" at UAL/CAL?
05-17-2010, 09:11 PM
#271
On Reserve
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: 777 fo
Posts: 15
Thank you for all the responses. I had a feeling that stuff was not true. The captain I was flying with seemed to be a pretty negative guy and most of the stuff he said so far has turned out to be wrong. Looking forward to being the airline that can turn this profession around again. We have a great opportunity to turn things around and make big gains with our leverage this time around if we can fight together instead of against each other.
05-17-2010, 10:12 PM
#272
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Posts: 5,709
Originally Posted by wiggy
Just curious, on your augmented European flights someone referred to a "bunkie"...is that a "cruise only" -rated F/O?...If so, does that mean the "regular" capt. and f/o get more rest in cruise? (more rest than 1/3rd each of the cruise flight time?) Also someone mentioned "double augment" on short European trips..(under 12 hrs. block I assume)...how does that work? (I thought double aug. was only required on block greater than 12 hrs.)
We do not have IRO's (International, Relief, Officers) at UAL every pilot is fully qualified and maintains landing currency on the airframe they hold.
Bunkie simply refers to the pilot who happens to be the non flying F/O on that leg. Many times the more senior F/O has bid the nonflying position for schedule etc....
Flight over 8 hours scheduled block require single augmentation, one extra F/O, Flights scheduled over 12 hours block require double augmentation.
And just to reiterate every pilot on the flight deck is current, qualified and type rated there are no cruise pilots at UAL.
I hope that answers your questions.
05-18-2010, 01:42 AM
#273
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Position: Flying the SEC
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You guys need to fight for the DAL system of augmentation in your JCBA. Our third guy(Relief Pilot) flies both ways not just the way back. So we are augmented if any route segment is over 8 hrs block. Three guys over, three guys back. Makes those evening departures much more palatable.
Our 4 man crews are 2 Capt and two FO. Makes for more Capt positions in the 777 and ER and now the Whale and 330.
Our 4 man crews are 2 Capt and two FO. Makes for more Capt positions in the 777 and ER and now the Whale and 330.
05-18-2010, 04:39 AM
#274
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 786
Originally Posted by satchip
You guys need to fight for the DAL system of augmentation in your JCBA. Our third guy(Relief Pilot) flies both ways not just the way back. So we are augmented if any route segment is over 8 hrs block. Three guys over, three guys back. Makes those evening departures much more palatable.
Our 4 man crews are 2 Capt and two FO. Makes for more Capt positions in the 777 and ER and now the Whale and 330.
Our 4 man crews are 2 Capt and two FO. Makes for more Capt positions in the 777 and ER and now the Whale and 330.
Is staffing a contractual item at Delta?
Certainly all the CAL people know where I am going with this.
05-18-2010, 05:12 AM
#275
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,099
Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
Hey Satchip,
Is staffing a contractual item at Delta?
Certainly all the CAL people know where I am going with this.
Is staffing a contractual item at Delta?
Certainly all the CAL people know where I am going with this.
Plus, as for the 3 man trips, the relief pilot (RP) is decided in the briefing between the two FOs. It usually works depends on who needs a landing. If the captain takes the first leg, then the FO who needs a landing will be the RP on the captain's leg, and then becomes the PF on the return, with the other FO becoming the RP. I've also had a captin who didn't need any landings and gave the two legs to the FOs. Works out good for all.
05-18-2010, 05:53 AM
#276
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: B777 Capt
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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
I remember when UAL had the incident with the engine failure leaving SFO a little less than a decade ago. Rumors got started among CAL pilots (true or not) that a "bunkie" was flying the airplane when the EO profile wasn't followed and terrain clearance was less than optimal. As a follow on, many CAL pilots believed that UAL's "bunkies" were substandard when compared to CALs IRO counterparts.
I am sure we can adapt to a one language fits all for both airlines. In the case of the SFO incident, if you believe the re-creation video we had to watch. The trip was saved by one of the "Bunkies" getting up out of his seat and directing the "Flying" FO on the proper control inputs. The Captain was terribly busy trying to switch from tower to dept
so he was unable to direct anything..... Of course this Captain was about to retire at 60 and he would improve his skills much more if had been allowed to fly to 65 
.Many changes came of this event. Back in those days the senior pilots would bid the "Bunkie" Asia trips as they were the shorter higher time (no tag flying in Asia". The result was the senior pilots would just wait and go NQ for landings. The company would then send them to TK for a sim and give them VACA days credit for each day of Landings class. It was possible for a pilot to stay current, get 4-6 extra vacation days a year and never touch the controls in takeoff and landing. Like any good deal, you have some clown that will screw it up. Especially back in those days with rapid upgrades the top portion of the 400/777 list on the F/O side were filled with guys that could not pass the upgrade. They were to be lifetime F/O's. Not necessarily part of the EEO hiring group. Many were just old gompers that were marginal and never improved.
Since this took place the requirements to actually fly in the seat on active legs every ninety days and many other currency addendum items. Also, when they send a guy to TK for landings, if he is a line holder it is done on days off. No pay unless you are a reserve, then you get 5 hrs per day. This helps prevent the senior pilot from bidding bunkie to avoid flying. Sucks for the junior lineholders as they have a much more difficult time getting flying ID's and they are the ones that wind up going to TK for free most often.
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05-18-2010, 09:49 AM
#277
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Position: B737 F/O
Posts: 6
Continental System Bid just announced
Date:
May 18, 2010
Expires:
May 28, 2010
File #:
I 10 097
Subject:
11- 05 System Bid
To:
All Pilots
In order to meet the flying requirements associated with the business plan flying planned for
the remainder of 2010 and early 2011, System Bid 11-05 is being issued. There are 42 Captain
vacancies on this System Bid resulting from recent pilot retirements and flying increases in
Guam. These Captain vacancies occur across all fleets. This bid also reflects pilots returning
from COLA and the expiration of the LTVRF program, both of which result in an effective
increase in the number of active pilots. The net result is that this System Bid will reflect the
recall from furlough of fifteen pilots.
This System Bid does not contain any New Bases or New Equipment as defined in the CBA
and no BES combinations open or close on this bid.
Information regarding the specifics of System Bid 11-05, including the number of vacancies,
reductions, etc., can also be found on the Flight Operations Web Site under Bid Notification
Posting. General information regarding System Bids can be found as the System Bid General
Notes found under Division Communications | E-Documents on the Flight Operations website.
Current standing bid file data still indicates that there could be pilots who would be
involuntarily assigned a BES award due to insufficient bid choices. Please check your
standing system bids to ensure that you have sufficient bid choices should you become
displaced. All contractual training freeze limitations and hard period restrictions in Section 24
are in effect for this system bid.
With an increasing number of 777 Captains and First Officers over age 60, be aware that FAR
pairing regulations may have the practical effect of restricting monthly PBS award options for
777 First Officers who are over age 60.
For pilots participating in the COLA 10 program, you will have until 1000 CT, Friday, May
28th to extend your COLA return date in accordance with the Furlough Mitigation LOA and as
outlined in the COLA 10 Bulletin. We are also offering pilots on COLA 12 the opportunity to
voluntarily extend their COLA on the same terms. COLAs may be extended as far as the
effective date of this bid. This extension request may be via email ([email protected]), or fax
(713-324-8540). To make an extension request over the phone, please contact your Base
Administrator. Manpower Planning will confirm your election via CCS message. No pilots
remain on COLA 11.
The scheduled dates for this System Bid are shown below. A Training Assignment Bid (TAB
10-09) will be posted immediately following this System Bid Award and will include training
AND advancement positions for September as well as backfill advancement positions for
GUM as early as August. You should be prepared to use the TAB process outlined in Section
24, Part 3.E of the CBA for these training and advancement positions.
In order to meet the flying requirements associated with the business plan flying planned for
the remainder of 2010 and early 2011, System Bid 11-05 is being issued. There are 42 Captain
vacancies on this System Bid resulting from recent pilot retirements and flying increases in
Guam. These Captain vacancies occur across all fleets. This bid also reflects pilots returning
from COLA and the expiration of the LTVRF program, both of which result in an effective
increase in the number of active pilots. The net result is that this System Bid will reflect the
recall from furlough of fifteen pilots.
This System Bid does not contain any New Bases or New Equipment as defined in the CBA
and no BES combinations open or close on this bid.
Information regarding the specifics of System Bid 11-05, including the number of vacancies,
reductions, etc., can also be found on the Flight Operations Web Site under Bid Notification
Posting. General information regarding System Bids can be found as the System Bid General
Notes found under Division Communications | E-Documents on the Flight Operations website.
Current standing bid file data still indicates that there could be pilots who would be
involuntarily assigned a BES award due to insufficient bid choices. Please check your
standing system bids to ensure that you have sufficient bid choices should you become
displaced. All contractual training freeze limitations and hard period restrictions in Section 24
are in effect for this system bid.
With an increasing number of 777 Captains and First Officers over age 60, be aware that FAR
pairing regulations may have the practical effect of restricting monthly PBS award options for
777 First Officers who are over age 60.
For pilots participating in the COLA 10 program, you will have until 1000 CT, Friday, May
28th to extend your COLA return date in accordance with the Furlough Mitigation LOA and as
outlined in the COLA 10 Bulletin. We are also offering pilots on COLA 12 the opportunity to
voluntarily extend their COLA on the same terms. COLAs may be extended as far as the
effective date of this bid. This extension request may be via email ([email protected]), or fax
(713-324-8540). To make an extension request over the phone, please contact your Base
Administrator. Manpower Planning will confirm your election via CCS message. No pilots
remain on COLA 11.
The scheduled dates for this System Bid are shown below. A Training Assignment Bid (TAB
10-09) will be posted immediately following this System Bid Award and will include training
AND advancement positions for September as well as backfill advancement positions for
GUM as early as August. You should be prepared to use the TAB process outlined in Section
24, Part 3.E of the CBA for these training and advancement positions.
Bid 11-05 Schedule:
Bid 11-05 is posted for bidding effective May 18, 2010.
Bid 11-05 will close Friday, May 28, 2010 at 1000 CT.
Bid 11-05 will be effective the 1st day of the May 2011 bid period.
Bid 11-05 will be effective the 1st day of the May 2011 bid period.
05-18-2010, 12:16 PM
#279
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,750
Originally Posted by Boneman
I don't know what kind of monthly bidding system UAL has, but it has to be better than the POS PBS that we have.
05-18-2010, 12:51 PM
#280
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Unbridled Enthusiasm
Posts: 2,143
Originally Posted by jsled
negative Ghost Rider, we too have pos PBS. Yet another concession from the bankruptcy. Actually, I like the ease of bidding with PBS. Couple of criteria and you are done. Beats looking thru 200 lines.
For instance, just this month, all the trips I had picked as "high" choices and would have made me a legal line, were awarded to Pilots junior to me. Every single trip on my line are from my "low" selections.
I HATE our Carmen PBS and will vote no on any proposal that includes it.
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