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johnso29 07-10-2010 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 839655)
I think hes saying there will be more first class seats.

I dont want to speak for him so maybe he can confirm, but what I think he was saying is if delta is forced to pull down 76 seaters they will just remove coach seats and add more first class.

Current config is 12 first 64 coach.

70 seat config would be something like 16 first 54 coach.


I think you're right. I need to stop waking up at 0330! :p

cfiguy11 07-10-2010 01:53 PM

As a Compass (Relatively) New Hire, I just wondered what the general feeling about the flow is with the delta pilots. Obviously everyone I know on this side of the fence is all for keeping it intact but just wondered what the consensus was on the other side. Thanks guys

slowplay 07-10-2010 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by cfiguy11 (Post 839721)
As a Compass (Relatively) New Hire, I just wondered what the general feeling about the flow is with the delta pilots. Obviously everyone I know on this side of the fence is all for keeping it intact but just wondered what the consensus was on the other side. Thanks guys

We have 12,200 pilots. There are over 14,000 opinions they've shared.:)

acl65pilot 07-10-2010 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 839725)
We have 12,200 pilots. There are over 14,000 opinions they've shared.:)

If we had 100% participation in this issue it would be the first issue we had that type of turn out in! :eek:

johnso29 07-10-2010 02:32 PM

I want it to stay. I think a lot of guys, junior and senior, feel the same way.

I hope our MEC/Local Councils feel the same way too.

acl65pilot 07-10-2010 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 839734)
I want it to stay. I think a lot of guys, junior and senior, feel the same way.

I hope our MEC/Local Councils feel the same way too.


All I will say is that the rank and file may not have all of the facts.

This is a job for the MEC and it is a difficult one. As they have stated they will meet on Tuesday to discuss this issue. IMHO, it says something that they are paying for trip drops and lodging for everyone to fly to ATL. That alone makes it a big issue to them.

johnso29 07-10-2010 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 839737)
All I will say is that the rank and file may not have all of the facts.

This is a job for the MEC and it is a difficult one. As they have stated they will meet on Tuesday to discuss this issue. IMHO, it says something that they are paying for trip drops and lodging for everyone to fly to ATL. That alone makes it a big issue to them.


I'm confident the union knows how the pilot group feels about the issue. I don't know all the facts because I'm sure it's NDA info. Let's hope we have home field advantage on this one. The language seems clear, but that doesn't seem to guarantee anything.

acl65pilot 07-10-2010 02:47 PM

Johnso, there are things like intent, the negotiator's notes, etc that come in to play with interpretation. Suffice to say there are a lot of parts of this issue that are all over the place in the PWA and the LOA's. Some language is more restrictive some less. It is not my job or your job to determine it.

I have talked to my reps, let my opinion be known, and in the end that is all I can do. It is now in their hands. Time will tell, but it is a ugly issue with far reaching implications.

johnso29 07-10-2010 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 839744)
Johnso, there are things like intent, the negotiator's notes, etc that come in to play with interpretation. Suffice to say there are a lot of parts of this issue that are all over the place in the PWA and the LOA's. Some language is more restrictive some less. It is not my job or your job to determine it.

I have talked to my reps, let my opinion be known, and in the end that is all I can do. It is now in their hands. Time will tell, but it is a ugly issue with far reaching implications.


Ahhhh....the soap opera that is the airline industry! :D:p

reddog25 07-10-2010 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 839580)
I think they could do this, but is it cost advantageous? They keep preaching how much we rely on the HVC. What does a HVC want? First Class seats. The 76 seaters make $$$ because First Class is available. Less 1st class seats=Less HVC revenue.

IDK. Just thinking.

Do you remeber when FNWA had a limit on any jets greater than 45 seats? 98 contract. The company pulled 6 seats out of the rest and purchased more 44 seat CRJ-200s...I think they called them CRJ-4400. During the slip into concessions we agreed to allow the company to put the 6 seats back in.

So to answer your question. Yes they will pull the seats out.


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