Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 852415)

I find it truly sad that some choose to live like this.

I think anyone who wants no max pick up & open time pick up on vacation is a selfish jerk. :mad: It reminds me of those greedy individuals that will fly extra time with guys on the street. An airline that starts with C & ends with L comes to mind. :mad:

Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 852418)

While I agree, it is nice to have the option to make some extra money a few times per year. It would be nice if we could fly to the FAR's maybe three or four months out of the year if we needed money to pay for an unexpected expense. Even if you have your stuff in order, expenses still come up. I've been paying part of my sisters mortgage to help them out and now I have a grandparent that is in a nursing home and will most likely be paying for part of that since I'm the "rich" kid in the family. Having the ability to work as much as you can a few months of the year would be nice. Not everyone does it because they are selfish jerks.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 852380)

Caddis, and Elvis;

I 100% agree. Even with a side business and a wife that works we will never buy that "Captain's" house. Why? No need to.

Problem for these guys as they explain it to me is this. Wife did not work onB scale, never has worked, and they got though that. Wife never went to school, met in the military, had kids young, as no job experience, and for the most part could only do hourly work now. Some wives of the guys I have flown with have gone back to school and gotten good jobs, but most have not. Add to this, bought a big house in 2001, kids went to school in 2004-2008, no retirement savings, have 15-20 years left on house note, etc. In effect, they have no option with the housing market where it is but to work their butts off.

Now add, a boat, fast car, second house, and a second wife, girlfriend etc, and these guys are in a corner.

I agree it is not the way to live, but when these guys lost their retirements and then could not sell the large house, they lost options. Yep, I shake my head because I live on less than I make, but it is always a good reminder of where I do not want to be in my mid 50's.

May of these guys want to get rid of the max pickup, they want to fly over vacation, etc. The good thing is that it is widespread. Some guys I fly with on the other hand drop have of their trips and are coasting to retirement.

Originally Posted by reddog25 (Post 852458)

Soooo to get this train back on track.....................looking forward to training new 320 F/Os. If you get the chance to bid it, do so. You'll love it.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 852415)

I find it truly sad that some choose to live like this.

I think anyone who wants no max pick up & open time pick up on vacation is a selfish jerk. :mad: It reminds me of those greedy individuals that will fly extra time with guys on the street. An airline that starts with C & ends with L comes to mind. :mad:

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 852457)

What's with these guys attacking the wives? My wife has a bachelor's degree. She is not working though and probably won't for a long time. I am gone so much due to this job that someone has to take care of our baby. If my wife works, a daycare will be raising our child. On top of that, a pretty big portion of our earnings will be going to daycare anyway.

$100,000/year is barely enough to live the American dream these days (I don't even make that). We all need to make more money. We gave way too much back in the bankruptcies. It's time to recoup some of that. The company is making money. Pay me.

Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 852418)

While I agree, it is nice to have the option to make some extra money a few times per year. It would be nice if we could fly to the FAR's maybe three or four months out of the year if we needed money to pay for an unexpected expense. Even if you have your stuff in order, expenses still come up. I've been paying part of my sisters mortgage to help them out and now I have a grandparent that is in a nursing home and will most likely be paying for part of that since I'm the "rich" kid in the family. Having the ability to work as much as you can a few months of the year would be nice. Not everyone does it because they are selfish jerks.

Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 852486)

Heyas Johnson,

I have flown with guys who are pretty open about what they do (if you ask). I did a flight with a guy who came right out and admitted that he did favors for scheduling and he couldn't give a tinkers damn about the 900 guys on furlough.

And he wasn't old and crusty, and he didn't try to justify it with the "I have a pregnant girl-friend, a ex-wife and morgage on the 2nd house".

It takes all kinds. A LOT of these guys fly under the radar. The grunt all the right noises, pay their dues, and go right on doing what they do.

There's no changing their mind, because they will rationalize it every which way they want to make it fit with their world view.

Nu

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 852534)

Perhaps 2-3 times a year would be ok. I understand some have certain circumstances, but most just have frivolous lifestyles or are greedy. I can see GSing during the summer, but flying 90+ hours every month is BS.

Here's an idea.....keep it in your pants.(This comment is not directed at you Rocky).