Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

You know what? I'm more interested in the next 10 years! How do we achieve significant restoration without clearly stating it as our goal and rallying our pilot group around the goal? This is something that IMO should have begun the moment we came out of bankruptcy, if not before. What have years of lowered expectations done to our careers and the potential for restoration? Like I've said before, we may have come out slightly ahead in the short run... but how are we going to look 10 years from now compared to some other pilot group that is vigorously pursuing and fully committed to restoration? Everything I know and have learned about accomplishment tells me that the pilot group that really wants it, is focused on it, and is fully dedicated to it, will achieve it. How are we looking in that regard so far?

Originally Posted by Splash

"expect" expectations?



A bit of a paradox there, eh?

Sometimes it is reasonable to observe that zero percent of your expectations may be fulfilled. There are too many variables in the environment. Buying stock, marrying the "girl of your dreams", or signing on to fly airplanes in a cutthroat, highly-capitalized service industry that requires you to have a physical every 6-months are all examples of risk-balanced activities.

Your comments about the future, and the tone ALPA must use to prepare us for contract negotiations are well-taken and appreciated by me. The suggestion that we can calculate where we should be right now based on the variables in the environment over the last two decades are best done face-to-face over beer, so I can tell if I'm dealing with a reality-averse victim who hasn't read a newspaper since Bush 41 was President...or a even-keeled contrarian who wants to discuss how leverage has worked for/against us, and how we can deal with opportunities in the future.



It hasn't. There has been no support. We're hopelessly behind our peers.

Originally Posted by slowplay

Just as a reminder, early in your career when all the major airlines were hiring, you sought employment at a struggling carrier that undercut wages of other pilot groups. That carrier ultimately didn't survive, but its low wage contract did exert signficant downward pressure during bargaining on other carrier contract negotiations.

Why did you voluntarily seek employment that didn't meet your expectations, and why were you a participate in the degradation of the profession? Didn't you have a clear and unequivocal mission statement in your job search? Didn't you value the profession, or did you do a resume pump and run, and now expect others to repair the damage?

I should probably seek Tom's inflation adjusted damages for your behavior....

Originally Posted by johnso29

BTW, I'm not seeing any other groups seeking restoration except maybe AA.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

UAL is seeking C2K restoration as a minimum.

Carl

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Yeah, you can usually tell when someone's out of ideas when they resort to trying to discredit their opponent rather than debating the issue(s). Your post really doesn't even merit a response, other than a couple of things:.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

1) Look at the pay rates at DAL, UAL, AA, etc. during that time period and even all the way up to the point where the airline for whom I worked ceased to exist. (Hint: we got C2K while pilots were still "working for less" at that airline.) Some "downward pressure!" .

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

2) You can't make that criticism without condemning the path that virtually every civilian pilot has taken to Delta Air Lines... i.e. almost every civilian pilot has worked for low wages as part of the path to achieving his/her career objective.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

1531 have sent in cards as of 1/23/11, and DPA can't find but 2 guys to be base reps. Sounds like they've captured the forum crowd, but no one actually willing to get out from behind the keyboard.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Carl, tsquare, DAL88, capncrunch, scambo1, what are you all waiting for? Someone else to do all the work for you?

Originally Posted by gloopy

And in addition to that they are at least bringing up massive scope restoration as a front burner issue. Are they truly serious or is it just an opener to get a bigger pay/retirement cookie or even just a throw away item? Too early to tell at this point, but at least they are not hot-house-sitter-at-a-horror-film terrified of at least mentioning the issue like some leadership groups seem to be.

Originally Posted by slowplay

You're not my opponent. That's the part you don't get.