the one thing you have to admit, at some point in time in the last few years 5400 pilots made the effort to sign a membership card and mail it in.

 

Have your Reps discussed this as a group? Have they decided with finality that what the qualified message in the code-a-phone was the end state? How do your Reps take that code-a-phone message?

I know you think that the AM Section 40 was violated in spirit. Scope as you define it is all of section 1 where some think it is planes alone.(Section 1 Subpart C) I know there are concerns with the C&BL Article IV Section 2 a and b, but what other concerns are there wrt to precedences being set?

-First time a enhanced hiring scheme was not codified in our PWA?
- DALPA being silent on the issue allows for a stronger legal precedence being set going forward?
-If it is technically legal wrt to the C&BL and AM what recourse is there to make this a one time event that will limit actions that could hurt this pilot group down the road?
-Is being silent on this issue the best course of action for this group when this deal is ugly and starts the whipsaw of the DCI brand all over again? (Do we really want to codify a the cookie in a bad deal that drops DCI 9E pay by about 20%?)
-I know you want the MEC to defend the AM and C&BL but are there possible issues with doing so that you cannot see?
-Now that the Bridge Agreement is signed and done, what recourse if acceptable from the MEC?
-Have you discussed these actions with your current or incoming reps?

I suspect this will be discussed at length by the reps either officially or unofficially.

 

Just think of the check and balance that is missing within ALPA.....

 

Exactly. Rinse and repeat. I feel and share your frustration. Where is Lumberg when you need him to shed a little light on the subject?

 

Section 40 was violated IN FACT. Delta flying is all Delta flying. Pinnacle scopes Delta flying via their Bridge Agreement. It is a black and white clear cut violation of the Admin Manual requirement to inform & coordinate. It affects the other DCI carriers more than it does us, but still, nobody wants ALPA locking our MEC out of negotiations with our management, do we?

Further, Delta flying is a concern of the Delta pilots. The Delta MEC not being involved is a violation of our MEC Duties in the C&BL.

The precedents are numerous:

• How does ALPA, as an exclusive bargaining agent coordinate if no one knows what is going on?
• How do we prevent other airlines from coming in and doing deals which undercut us, or steal our flying?
• What about the quid pro quo we've always received for these schemes ... flow down protection?
• and I'm tired .... there are probably a hundred scenarios I'm not thinking of.

There is no political support for appropriate action. End of story.

In my view, we at Delta hold Delta flying. That is our "treasure." The advise and confer language helps us know what is coming and gives us time to defend our turf, or object. Others do not see it that way.

I will let our Reps speak for themselves on why none wish to press this issue. Several have explained their positions to me, but there might could be errors in how I present their case. Also, sometimes I write something after talking to several people and one person thinks "that is not what I told him..."

 

If DPA isn't a factor, why do several people make posts about it. Guess ya'll are worried. Would love to see an in-house union! Do you really think if we left ALPA, ALPA wouldn't take us back if DPA didn't work as planned? All ALPA wants is $. Pure and simple.

 

They took CAL scabs back.... why wouldn't they take you back? Good job....

 

It looks to me like 3 or 4 guys consider DPA to be a factor. Most of us consider them to be irrelevant.

I'm surprised to hear that they still exist.

 

I won't be renewing mine.

 

DPA predication's:

1) if they ever get enough cards to call a vote a large percentage of them will be rendered invalid due to being out of date during the ballot certification.

2) should it ever actually come to an election they will be soundly defeated as most pilots are just sending a message to ALPA.

3) if in the unlikely event they are elected they will produce far less and represent poorly the DAL pilots.

4) they will assess the DAL pilots to cover thier legal fees of last several years

5) with ALPA's future questionable at that point Lee Moak and boys will orchestrate a recall of the DPA leadership, get themselves elected and we'll be right back where we started.

6) it will never get passed #1