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Old 08-12-2013 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Question: Are we better off in a merger with an ALPA carrier (think Alaska) with our without ALPA?

I contend we'd have much more leeway to defend ourselves and ensure fairness if we were had an in-house union, and were not weighed down by ALPA's presence.

I don't want a windfall, but I don't want to get bent over in what could be a very ugly SLI with ALPA's agenda hanging over our heads.
The short answer is no. In ALPA Merger Policy it sets up a process to integrate lists that includes:

Negotiation > Mediation > Final and Binding Arbitration

In a merger with different unions, the McKaskill/Bond law governs. It mandates the process set up in the Allegheny/Mohawk LPP's which includes:

Negotiation > Mediation > Final and Binding Arbitration

There is a common misconception that because the actual Allegheny/Mohawk merger resulted in a Date of Hire list, that the Allegheny/Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions mandate Date of Hire. Just like ALPA Merger Policy, the LPP's do not specify the METHOD of integrating the list, only the PROCESS.

In the Frontier/Republic/Midwest/Lynx merger there were four different unions and they fell under the M/B law. The only arbitrator was Dana Eischen, who was one of the arbitrators for DAL/NWA.

In the United/Continental merger there is only on union, ALPA. The head arbitrator is Dana Eischen.
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Old 08-12-2013 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
IDK. That didn't work out too well for FAPA pilots.
And ALPA didn't work out too well for AirTran pilots
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Old 08-12-2013 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
And ALPA didn't work out too well for AirTran pilots
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Old 08-12-2013 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
And ALPA didn't work out too well for AirTran pilots
Well we all know how well the AirTran pilot's independent union did. They couldn't even negotiate a TA. ALPA came in and negotiated a successful TA quite quicky. Which is exactly why we keep ALPA. The Bond-McCaskill amendment has been proven worthless. GK said take the deal or I shut AT down. I'm sure CAPA would've done a much better job.
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Old 08-12-2013 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
ALPA has a process, not an "agenda."
Like the process the negotiating committee was supposed to follow prior to shaking hands with the company on the TA?

Or the process ALPA has in place to ensure we are the only pilot group to negotiate with our employer?

I'm curious to see how ALPA's "process" for enforcing our Section I turns out next month re: NRT departures.

Bar, I must disagree with you. ALPA has an agenda for everything, and an ironclad process for nothing.
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Old 08-12-2013 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
And ALPA didn't work out too well for AirTran pilots
The AirTran pilots voted in that sham of a seniority deal. That had nothing to do with them being ALPA. They did it to themselves aided by SWAPA partnering with SWA mgmt.
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Old 08-12-2013 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
The short answer is no. In ALPA Merger Policy it sets up a process to integrate lists that includes:

alfaromeo collecting 6 figures to consult on ALPA merger policy.

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Thanks for the disclosure.
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Old 08-12-2013 | 06:03 PM
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Perfect example of why we need to keep a bachelors degree as a requirement and may I add an additional requirement for at least a minor in business. Even with a flow.
Purple, no solutions, just *****ing. Points out the obvious as if there is some magical undermining operation out to get him.
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Old 08-12-2013 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
Perfect example of why we need to keep a bachelors degree as a requirement and may I add an additional requirement for at least a minor in business. Even with a flow.
Purple, no solutions, just *****!ng. Points out the obvious as if there is some magical undermining operation out to get him.
My minor in geology trumps a minor in business.
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Old 08-12-2013 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
My minor in geology trumps a minor in business.

Only if you are caught between a rock and a hard place.
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