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Question: Are we better off in a merger with an ALPA carrier (think Alaska) with our without ALPA?
I contend we'd have much more leeway to defend ourselves and ensure fairness if we were had an in-house union, and were not weighed down by ALPA's presence.
I don't want a windfall, but I don't want to get bent over in what could be a very ugly SLI with ALPA's agenda hanging over our heads.
I contend we'd have much more leeway to defend ourselves and ensure fairness if we were had an in-house union, and were not weighed down by ALPA's presence.
I don't want a windfall, but I don't want to get bent over in what could be a very ugly SLI with ALPA's agenda hanging over our heads.
Negotiation > Mediation > Final and Binding Arbitration
In a merger with different unions, the McKaskill/Bond law governs. It mandates the process set up in the Allegheny/Mohawk LPP's which includes:
Negotiation > Mediation > Final and Binding Arbitration
There is a common misconception that because the actual Allegheny/Mohawk merger resulted in a Date of Hire list, that the Allegheny/Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions mandate Date of Hire. Just like ALPA Merger Policy, the LPP's do not specify the METHOD of integrating the list, only the PROCESS.
In the Frontier/Republic/Midwest/Lynx merger there were four different unions and they fell under the M/B law. The only arbitrator was Dana Eischen, who was one of the arbitrators for DAL/NWA.
In the United/Continental merger there is only on union, ALPA. The head arbitrator is Dana Eischen.
#7694
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Well we all know how well the AirTran pilot's independent union did. They couldn't even negotiate a TA. ALPA came in and negotiated a successful TA quite quicky. Which is exactly why we keep ALPA. The Bond-McCaskill amendment has been proven worthless. GK said take the deal or I shut AT down. I'm sure CAPA would've done a much better job.
#7695
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Like the process the negotiating committee was supposed to follow prior to shaking hands with the company on the TA?
Or the process ALPA has in place to ensure we are the only pilot group to negotiate with our employer?
I'm curious to see how ALPA's "process" for enforcing our Section I turns out next month re: NRT departures.
Bar, I must disagree with you. ALPA has an agenda for everything, and an ironclad process for nothing.
Or the process ALPA has in place to ensure we are the only pilot group to negotiate with our employer?
I'm curious to see how ALPA's "process" for enforcing our Section I turns out next month re: NRT departures.
Bar, I must disagree with you. ALPA has an agenda for everything, and an ironclad process for nothing.
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#7698
Perfect example of why we need to keep a bachelors degree as a requirement and may I add an additional requirement for at least a minor in business. Even with a flow.
Purple, no solutions, just *****ing. Points out the obvious as if there is some magical undermining operation out to get him.
Purple, no solutions, just *****ing. Points out the obvious as if there is some magical undermining operation out to get him.
#7699
Perfect example of why we need to keep a bachelors degree as a requirement and may I add an additional requirement for at least a minor in business. Even with a flow.
Purple, no solutions, just *****!ng. Points out the obvious as if there is some magical undermining operation out to get him.
Purple, no solutions, just *****!ng. Points out the obvious as if there is some magical undermining operation out to get him.
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