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Old 11-20-2013 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
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I've never once said that whatever happened to the DPA's web site was right, legal, or smart. Such action was wrong, potentially illegal and dumb.
Stop with the straw men Bar. I never once said you thought it was right, legal or smart. My criticism of you is that you blame this entire episode on DPA because of DPA's existence. Worse, you are trying to portray DPA as purposely harming a (potentially) Delta pilot(s) by not breaking Federal law and covering this up. Try not to be so blatant in your deflection and dissembling.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
It was also probably more of a prank than the Federal Case the DPA wants to make of it.
DPA will not be the one to make a Federal case of it Bar. Only the US attorney can decide that. DPA (or any entity) cannot cover up a known Federal illegality. DPA folks could go to jail if they conspire to obstruct justice. I know you know this, so why do you keep ignoring it? Do you think you will be able to fool people if you just keep ignoring it?

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
If I would have advised against "playing games" with the DPA, simply because the DPA leadership is volatile and does just what they are doing.
I see. DPA is volatile by following the law, and (potentially) DALPA is non-volatile by breaking Federal law? Shameful Bar.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Calling the Feds over a prank is extremely bad judgement.
"Prank" must be the latest update of DALPA talking points. I'll have to check my email for the latest. Computer hacking and disrupting interstate commerce is not a prank Bar, they are Federal crimes. Funny how you call actual crimes a prank, but following the law by reporting them shows bad judgment. You sure you're not Nancy Pelosi?

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
It smacks of the petty vindictiveness and lack of strategic thought that has imperiled the DPA movement from it's inception.
I know Nancy, following the law is petty, vindictive and lacking in strategic thought. And it has imperiled the DPA from the beginning of 0 cards to 5,500 cards. We clearly must change strategies. Maybe we can hire you Nance?

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Old 11-20-2013 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman
Or draw the line the other way. How about an an airspeed violation, say going 270 at 5000. Do you call the Feds?
Not a felony--nor even a crime. Try again.
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Old 11-20-2013 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Then you call DPA and have the guy forcibly put into the HIMS program.
Carl
You can forcibly put a guy into the HIMS program?
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Old 11-20-2013 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Not a felony--nor even a crime. Try again.
To me this is a legal issue between Caplinger and the guy who social engineered access to his account, assuming it happened. The DPA said the payment link was not intentionally broken, so I'm not sure how it's financial damage vs just a delay in processing credit cards. I have web shopping cart issues all the time, a few days of no credit card doesn't seem like high treason to me but I'm not a lawyer. I still think this is an issue you figure out and then report on after you have facts. Delta already knows who was laying over at the hotel and has probably already got a list based on the last update. I'd also have to guess that the hotel has video surveillance in the coffee shop. Short list of guys to look at. Could have waited a few days to send out 5 updates that say nothing but ask for more money.
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Old 11-20-2013 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
C

Calling the Feds over a prank
And you classify it as "a prank" because: _________

Feel free to fill in the blank
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Old 11-20-2013 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie
You can forcibly put a guy into the HIMS program?
Yes you can. If they want to keep their job. PM me if you want.
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Old 11-20-2013 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie
To me this is a legal issue between Caplinger and the guy who social engineered access to his account, assuming it happened. The DPA said the payment link was not intentionally broken, so I'm not sure how it's financial damage vs just a delay in processing credit cards. I have web shopping cart issues all the time, a few days of no credit card doesn't seem like high treason to me but I'm not a lawyer. I still think this is an issue you figure out and then report on after you have facts. Delta already knows who was laying over at the hotel and has probably already got a list based on the last update. I'd also have to guess that the hotel has video surveillance in the coffee shop. Short list of guys to look at. Could have waited a few days to send out 5 updates that say nothing but ask for more money.
Totally agreed with you on this issue. TC has done nothing but stepped on his crank even harder the last week.
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Old 11-20-2013 | 11:53 AM
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I can tell there will be no vote......

Too much peter principle grand standing!!

Carl, when is the vote??? (i know it is not a simple answer, but you have to have some idea! no?)


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Old 11-20-2013 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
I can tell there will be no vote......

Too much peter principle grand standing!!

Carl, when is the vote??? (i know it is not a simple answer, but you have to have some idea! no?)


fiig
I really don't fig. I'm just a line guy who supports independence from ALPA. I just don't have that kind of inside info.

Carl
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Old 11-20-2013 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
So when is the VOTE.........

GET IT DONE


That way we can focus on what is important..... our jobs......

Tired of the Johnson envy!!!!
^^^^Agreed!^^^^
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