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11-26-2013 | 08:17 PM
#8621
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From: A-320A
Absolutely true. So why do you do it? Would it not be better to "preposition ones self on how you will vote" based on objective and principle? There is no reason this profession should be any less valuable (much less 40 to 50% less valuable!) today than it was 10 years ago, or 20 years ago. Any "process" or "prepositioning" should be done based on the objective of restoring this profession and our careers. I think the following saying applies pretty well here: "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."
As for the first part, how one votes in a recall is about the job being performed, the confidence that your concerns that you have individually brought up multiple times will go away, and the concerns of multiple Reps on both sides of the vote of this being in front of us again in a few months will never happen, not about philosophies. Its about confidence and not letting some fear cover your concerns that you had well before a recall process even started. Its not politics, but its convenient to label it that.
11-26-2013 | 10:57 PM
#8623
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11-27-2013 | 12:59 AM
#8625
Wind the clock beoch
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Absolutely false. In fact, the exact opposite is true. ACL refused to sign the letter drafted by the mutineers. The letter he DID sign was in direct opposition to the Hazard cabal.
After a lengthy meeting with his fellow ATL reps the day before the recall meeting, they reached "consensus," in other words, he did an about face and caved to political pressure. Not the kind of guy I want representing me.
After a lengthy meeting with his fellow ATL reps the day before the recall meeting, they reached "consensus," in other words, he did an about face and caved to political pressure. Not the kind of guy I want representing me.
11-27-2013 | 01:08 AM
#8626
Wind the clock beoch
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Classic. When all else fails you bring out the tried and true "show me your plan argument."
11-27-2013 | 01:29 AM
#8627
Wind the clock beoch
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DAL is in its best financial position ever. This industry is and has always been cyclical. The time is NOW. If you think we're going to be in the same financial shape 7-10 years down the road you are sorely mistaken.
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11-27-2013 | 03:37 AM
#8628
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From: 747-400 Captain
That's what most DPA supporters were shocked about. But then again, many DPA supporters weren't surprised in the least.
Carl
11-27-2013 | 03:49 AM
#8629
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From: A-320A
At least two negotiating cycles???? How did you come up with this nonsense? This is a management argument, certainly not one a rep should be making. Please provide detailed facts on how you reached this bold assertion. Was it RA's "don't get greedy" line or SD's "stay humble" remark that brought you to this line if thinking? Or was it a combination? Or did this opinion arise as a result of "consensus" too?
DAL is in its best financial position ever. This industry is and has always been cyclical. The time is NOW. If you think we're going to be in the same financial shape 7-10 years down the road you are sorely mistaken.
DAL is in its best financial position ever. This industry is and has always been cyclical. The time is NOW. If you think we're going to be in the same financial shape 7-10 years down the road you are sorely mistaken.
DAL88 Knows the debate we had a few years ago when I said that. It's not two from now, and we were not discussing buying power.
11-27-2013 | 03:53 AM
#8630
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From: A-320A
Absolutely false. In fact, the exact opposite is true. ACL refused to sign the letter drafted by the mutineers. The letter he DID sign was in direct opposition to the Hazard cabal.
After a lengthy meeting with his fellow ATL reps the day before the recall meeting, they reached "consensus," in other words, he did an about face and caved to political pressure. Not the kind of guy I want representing me.
After a lengthy meeting with his fellow ATL reps the day before the recall meeting, they reached "consensus," in other words, he did an about face and caved to political pressure. Not the kind of guy I want representing me.
You ever call and ask why Nestor did not appear on the first letter? It was not for a lack of concern.
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